Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

The Mighty Mollusk

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Sure, but he thinks it's shrewd planning. Remember that he doesn't think like a leader or a president, he thinks like a conman and a wannabe mafioso. He doesn't care about inspiring the troops or earning their respect, he just wants them to do what he says and evade getting in trouble for it.
 

Dekafox

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He may also just think it's "boring military stuff" - remember this is the guy who couldn't even sit through 30 minutes of briefings unless they talked -about- him.
 

CoffeeHorse

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It probably is going to be boring military stuff. My guess is nothing historic and dramatic is going to happen and this meeting will end up being a footnote among the month's news, if not the week's news.
 

Fullstrength Motleypuss

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https://levremembers.substack.com/p...bwUDnDGrkW2j3eIViA_aem_uRv8qLrrnmXf9RZiBWogLQ

If anybody thinks we are going to have another free and fair election in this country I've got the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge right here and I'll cut you a killer deal on it.

Remember, Hitler did exactly this with his generals in 1935, making the swear their oaths to him and not to Germany and declaring the existing constitution void.
 

Corvus

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Trump will now be attending.

Trump to attend gathering of top generals, upending last-minute plans

Hundreds of top military officers and staff have been summoned to Virginia on short notice for a speech by Pete Hegseth. Trump decided this weekend to attend the meeting, adding new security concerns.

President Donald Trump has decided he’s going to the last-minute global gathering of the nation’s top generals in Quantico, Virginia, that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered last week.

Trump’s appearance not only upstages Hegseth’s plans but adds new security concerns to the massive and nearly unprecedented military event.

“We have confirmation from the White House that POTUS is now attending the speech on Tuesday,” according to a planning document sent Saturday that was viewed by The Washington Post.

Notice went out to offices around the Pentagon that the decision will “significantly change the security posture” of the speech, set for Tuesday morning.

The addition of the president at Quantico will now put the Secret Service in charge of securing the event. Hundreds of the military’s top commanding generals and admirals, ranked one-star and above, along with their senior enlisted leaders were ordered to attend by Hegseth last week. The orders provided no reason for the event and initially raised concern among attendees and military officials that he was gathering the group to inform them of mass firings or demotions.

Last week, The Post first reported that Hegseth was ordering all of the generals in command positions to Quantico to hear him speak for less than an hour about military standards and his vision for a “warrior ethos,” but the now expanded visit from the president could change that schedule — and add a more politicized tenor to the gathering.

“It’s the mother of all photo ops,” said Eugene R. Fidell, a military law expert at Yale Law School. The potential for the event to be politicized, and add to the politicization of the military, “is tremendously concerning and should be tremendously concerning to the American people.”

It is estimated that the cost of flying, lodging and transporting all of the military leaders — some of whom will be traveling from the Middle East, Europe and the Indo-Pacific — will be in the millions of dollars. The event has also raised security concerns about having all the top leadership in one place, particularly given that Tuesday is the end of the fiscal year, and if the government shuts down, it could leave key personnel stranded from their units.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the president’s travel for Tuesday’s speech.

Hegseth has committed to reducing the general officer corps by 20 percent and has fired without cause roughly two dozen senior officers — a disproportionate number of them female general or flag officers — since he was sworn in.

Hegseth is seriously considering reducing the rank of the top commanding generals at several top posts from four to three stars and proposing a significant consolidation of the combatant commands, which are major regional headquarters focused on areas such as Africa, the Middle East and the Indo-Pacific, several officials familiar with that planning who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations told The Post.
All of those moves come as the administration’s new national defense strategy is expected to significantly shift attention and resources away from preparing for a conflict with China to sharply focus on homeland defense and military use at home.

On Saturday, Trump in a Truth Social post called for the Pentagon to send troops to what he deemed “War ravaged” Portland, Oregon, authorizing them to use “Full Force” to protect Immigration and Customs Enforcement sites that have drawn sporadic protesters. The order was not clear as to whether he intended to send troops under federal control or activate troops under state control, but any deployment could be challenged in court. Oregon Gov. Tina Kotek (D) said she doesn’t believe Trump has the authority to deploy federal troops on state soil and is working with the attorney general on a potential response.

Trump’s deployment order also comes just days after he signed an executive order directing the nation’s law enforcement and military capabilities to be used against “domestic terrorism and organized political violence,” an edict that gives the administration sweeping powers to investigate and prosecute a broad array of political opponents.
 

Dekafox

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Remember, Hitler did exactly this with his generals in 1935, making the swear their oaths to him and not to Germany and declaring the existing constitution void.
Except you're leaving out a bunch of context on it. I saw a very nice and interesting writeup on what happened around then a couple days ago, but I didn't think to put the link anywhere and now I can't find it again(after spending way too long looking for it again). But:

1) The military at the time was very aristocratic, very "Good ol' boys" and HEAVILY resented Hitler's brownshirts flouncing around talking about how they'd gain power, or anyone external intruding on how they were running things or talking about expanding it.
2) When Hitler took power, he eliminated people who HAD been pushing for changes against what the Wehrmacht generals were wanting, in addition to shooting his own guy who had been advocating for replacing the army with the brownshirts, so he made the generals happy and indebted to him
3) THEN he called them in for that oathtaking, after having basically backed them up and giving them what they wanted, and promising them the spoils.

We may or may not have a "Good ol' boys" club at the top, but the external pressures changing things in the military only came AFTER Trump took office, so it's the reverse of the situation with the wehrmacht in that regard. The current armed forces doesn't HAVE any high-ups that they were concerned about making bad changes(excluding Trump and his admin itself)

Not to mention Trump won't even be there.... you think he'd pass up the ego-boosting he'd get by having the generals sear an oath to him in front of him, even if the optics weren't good?

*edit* well the above post knocks out my last point, but I still feel it doesn't change the rest.
 

CoffeeHorse

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If this meeting turns out to be a pointless nothingburger I'll be calling for a total ban on Hitler comparisons forever.
 

Pocket

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I saw a very nice and interesting writeup on what happened around then a couple days ago, but I didn't think to put the link anywhere and now I can't find it again(after spending way too long looking for it again).
Does your browser give you a way to scroll through a list of all the pages you've visited recently? Firefox does and I find that very useful for hunting down specific pages I didn't think to bookmark, especially if I can remember a specific word for the title or narrow the visit down to a day or two.
 

wonko the sane?

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So it's going to be an angry old man yelling at clouds in front of the entire US military top brass.

Any information leaked from this will just be donald trump talking out his brasshole.
 

CoffeeHorse

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As far as we know there still aren't any plans to have Trump speak at all. Just Hegseth. And all he's rumored to be talking about is his usual "warrior ethos" stuff.

If there's some actual news out of this, my expectation is that it'll just be talk about shifting focus back to our own hemisphere. Venezuela may or may not be mentioned by name, but that would be what's meant by focusing on our hemisphere. Marco Rubio really really really wants to intervene in Venezuela and has for a long time now, so that is something to watch for.
 


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