Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Ironbite4

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It's the next step in the fascist playbook: they're going to fire as many of the generals and admirals as they can and consolidate that power under lackeys and lickspittles they control.

Yeah about that....


Ironbite-he literally could've zoomed this confrence.
 

wonko the sane?

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Well thank god. This meeting could have been an email, and the email should have been caught by the junk filter. Given the new information: it was a strictly political theater show of force and that none of them will respect or appreciate. Which is as it should be.

More to the point: the american military doesn't NEED a "warrior" ethos, it needs a SOLDIER ethos. No modern military needs dimwits with automatic weapons running around pretending to be medieval warriors.

Edit: we really aren't appreciating just how ******* bad these fuckwits are at being fascists.
 

Fullstrength Motleypuss

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Edit: we really aren't appreciating just how ******* bad these fuckwits are at being fascists.
Not really. It's slight of hand - just distraction after distraction after distraction while they lay the groundwork for suspending any future elections thereby securing themselves power for the foreseeable future.
 

Ungnome

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They are scared, they know what's coming in 2024. They push too far and the people WILL push back. Purging the military won't exactly help their goals. They now have a bunch of trained soldiers with a chip on their shoulder against the current administration.
 

wonko the sane?

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They are scared, they know what's coming in 2024. They push too far and the people WILL push back. Purging the military won't exactly help their goals. They now have a bunch of trained soldiers with a chip on their shoulder against the current administration.
Thing is: they already HAD that. A lot of vets voted trump, sure: but since he's openly and maliciously gutted the VA. Between that and putting absolute bell ends like kegsbreath in charge has a lot of current military and former military seething.
 

Ungnome

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Thing is: they already HAD that. A lot of vets voted trump, sure: but since he's openly and maliciously gutted the VA. Between that and putting absolute bell ends like kegsbreath in charge has a lot of current military and former military seething.
By purging current soldiers who they consider 'disloyal'(aka, not yes-men for Trump) they will balloon that number and the new ones will be younger and more up to date with current military systems and tactics than the older vets.
 

wonko the sane?

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Assuming they're even capable of pushing "disloyal" folks out. Soldiers are nothing if not determined, and most of them understand they'll be around long after trump is gone.
 

wonko the sane?

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So I just learned something perhaps worrying.

The meeting on tuesday? The "never happened before" entire american military leadership in one room at the same time time meeting? Trump won't be there.

The only room on the planet where everyone will stand up and salute him: and he won't be there. So whatever is going to happen: the chance of it being directly associated to trump outweighs his narcissistic need to be paid attention.
 

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But at least Portland, Oregon - so long embattled by endless military conflicts - is finally going to be saved:

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The Mighty Mollusk

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So I just learned something perhaps worrying.

The meeting on tuesday? The "never happened before" entire american military leadership in one room at the same time time meeting? Trump won't be there.

The only room on the planet where everyone will stand up and salute him: and he won't be there. So whatever is going to happen: the chance of it being directly associated to trump outweighs his narcissistic need to be paid attention.
Plausible deniability. Whatever direction Kegseth is giving, it's going to be bad enough that even Kraznov is worried about backlash, so by not being there, he can pretend he had no idea what was going on and let his toadies take the heat.

I mean, even if he WAS there, he's such a brain-rotted, senile old shitbag that it's entirely plausible he wouldn't know what was going on anyway, but that way it sounds like weakness.
 

wonko the sane?

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I think it looks like weakness either way: you literally order the entire military command structure into one room and as their boss don't turn up? Weak and petty. Which is trump in a nutshell.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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Sure, but he thinks it's shrewd planning. Remember that he doesn't think like a leader or a president, he thinks like a conman and a wannabe mafioso. He doesn't care about inspiring the troops or earning their respect, he just wants them to do what he says and evade getting in trouble for it.
 

Dekafox

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He may also just think it's "boring military stuff" - remember this is the guy who couldn't even sit through 30 minutes of briefings unless they talked -about- him.
 

CoffeeHorse

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It probably is going to be boring military stuff. My guess is nothing historic and dramatic is going to happen and this meeting will end up being a footnote among the month's news, if not the week's news.
 

Fullstrength Motleypuss

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https://levremembers.substack.com/p...bwUDnDGrkW2j3eIViA_aem_uRv8qLrrnmXf9RZiBWogLQ

If anybody thinks we are going to have another free and fair election in this country I've got the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge right here and I'll cut you a killer deal on it.

Remember, Hitler did exactly this with his generals in 1935, making the swear their oaths to him and not to Germany and declaring the existing constitution void.
 

Corvus

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Trump will now be attending.

Trump to attend gathering of top generals, upending last-minute plans

Hundreds of top military officers and staff have been summoned to Virginia on short notice for a speech by Pete Hegseth. Trump decided this weekend to attend the meeting, adding new security concerns.

President Donald Trump has decided he’s going to the last-minute global gathering of the nation’s top generals in Quantico, Virginia, that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered last week.

Trump’s appearance not only upstages Hegseth’s plans but adds new security concerns to the massive and nearly unprecedented military event.

“We have confirmation from the White House that POTUS is now attending the speech on Tuesday,” according to a planning document sent Saturday that was viewed by The Washington Post.

Notice went out to offices around the Pentagon that the decision will “significantly change the security posture” of the speech, set for Tuesday morning.

The addition of the president at Quantico will now put the Secret Service in charge of securing the event. Hundreds of the military’s top commanding generals and admirals, ranked one-star and above, along with their senior enlisted leaders were ordered to attend by Hegseth last week. The orders provided no reason for the event and initially raised concern among attendees and military officials that he was gathering the group to inform them of mass firings or demotions.

Last week, The Post first reported that Hegseth was ordering all of the generals in command positions to Quantico to hear him speak for less than an hour about military standards and his vision for a “warrior ethos,” but the now expanded visit from the president could change that schedule — and add a more politicized tenor to the gathering.

“It’s the mother of all photo ops,” said Eugene R. Fidell, a military law expert at Yale Law School. The potential for the event to be politicized, and add to the politicization of the military, “is tremendously concerning and should be tremendously concerning to the American people.”

It is estimated that the cost of flying, lodging and transporting all of the military leaders — some of whom will be traveling from the Middle East, Europe and the Indo-Pacific — will be in the millions of dollars. The event has also raised security concerns about having all the top leadership in one place, particularly given that Tuesday is the end of the fiscal year, and if the government shuts down, it could leave key personnel stranded from their units.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the president’s travel for Tuesday’s speech.

Hegseth has committed to reducing the general officer corps by 20 percent and has fired without cause roughly two dozen senior officers — a disproportionate number of them female general or flag officers — since he was sworn in.

Hegseth is seriously considering reducing the rank of the top commanding generals at several top posts from four to three stars and proposing a significant consolidation of the combatant commands, which are major regional headquarters focused on areas such as Africa, the Middle East and the Indo-Pacific, several officials familiar with that planning who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations told The Post.
All of those moves come as the administration’s new national defense strategy is expected to significantly shift attention and resources away from preparing for a conflict with China to sharply focus on homeland defense and military use at home.

On Saturday, Trump in a Truth Social post called for the Pentagon to send troops to what he deemed “War ravaged” Portland, Oregon, authorizing them to use “Full Force” to protect Immigration and Customs Enforcement sites that have drawn sporadic protesters. The order was not clear as to whether he intended to send troops under federal control or activate troops under state control, but any deployment could be challenged in court. Oregon Gov. Tina Kotek (D) said she doesn’t believe Trump has the authority to deploy federal troops on state soil and is working with the attorney general on a potential response.

Trump’s deployment order also comes just days after he signed an executive order directing the nation’s law enforcement and military capabilities to be used against “domestic terrorism and organized political violence,” an edict that gives the administration sweeping powers to investigate and prosecute a broad array of political opponents.
 

Dekafox

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Remember, Hitler did exactly this with his generals in 1935, making the swear their oaths to him and not to Germany and declaring the existing constitution void.
Except you're leaving out a bunch of context on it. I saw a very nice and interesting writeup on what happened around then a couple days ago, but I didn't think to put the link anywhere and now I can't find it again(after spending way too long looking for it again). But:

1) The military at the time was very aristocratic, very "Good ol' boys" and HEAVILY resented Hitler's brownshirts flouncing around talking about how they'd gain power, or anyone external intruding on how they were running things or talking about expanding it.
2) When Hitler took power, he eliminated people who HAD been pushing for changes against what the Wehrmacht generals were wanting, in addition to shooting his own guy who had been advocating for replacing the army with the brownshirts, so he made the generals happy and indebted to him
3) THEN he called them in for that oathtaking, after having basically backed them up and giving them what they wanted, and promising them the spoils.

We may or may not have a "Good ol' boys" club at the top, but the external pressures changing things in the military only came AFTER Trump took office, so it's the reverse of the situation with the wehrmacht in that regard. The current armed forces doesn't HAVE any high-ups that they were concerned about making bad changes(excluding Trump and his admin itself)

Not to mention Trump won't even be there.... you think he'd pass up the ego-boosting he'd get by having the generals sear an oath to him in front of him, even if the optics weren't good?

*edit* well the above post knocks out my last point, but I still feel it doesn't change the rest.
 


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