Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

CoffeeHorse

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Losing also gave him four years to find a cabinet that would back him up on absolutely anything he wanted to do if he somehow got back in. Not many people would want to be Treasury Secretary in the middle of this, but he found the one. Not many people would want to be Secretary of State in the middle of all this, but he found the one.
 

wonko the sane?

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He found some shmucks that don't do the work anyway, and won't quit because of poor working conditions. They are there for the pills and the paycheque and nothing more.
 

Corvus

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Something happened in the last 4 years. He could have done this before.

He TRIED this before, during his first term.

The biggest difference is that there were actually some adults in the room that could manage some of his worst impulses and act as a bulwark against the worst things he'd try. Now those adults are gone.

As for the other jive that's happened in the last 4 years: he's 4 years older, and 4 years crazier.
 

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Watching the stock market crash as a result of 47's tariffs put me in mind of some conversations back when Toys R Us was going out of business back in 2018.

Many of us (arguably not all) were of the opinion that TRU's failure was less to do with any of their own specific failings, nor even of the toy market more generally, but because of private equity (such as, but not exclusively, Bain Capital) having bought them out some years previous, and basically milking the company for whatever cash it could make for shareholders, enriching themselves while destroying the company.

When folks point out that 47 has a history of embarking on business failures (which is true), it seems to me that he's doing something similar now, but with the nation itself. He just keeps getting more and more money and power for himself, at the expense of literally everyone else.
 

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FDR's biggest mistake was not just shutting down the stock market when public opinion of it was at its nadir.
 

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I didn't think about it before, but here's some ammunition to file away. Trump has said a lot of times that there was never a terrorist attack on US soil in his first term. It wasn't true, even by his own word, but anyway.

His justification for deporting anyone that looks like they could be a member of a Venezuelan gang (and a lot of people look kinda like that) is that they are a terrorist organization. So if they have done any crimes (I guess they have?) then he's got a lot of terrorist attacks.

Aaaaaaaaaand granted. Deportations under the Alien Enemies Act can resume.


Notably, the Supreme Court isn't saying these people have no right to challenge their removal. They just have to do so in the district where they're detained prior to removal. So Texas in this case. Good luck with that.
 

wonko the sane?

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How are they supposed to challenge their removal in the district they were removed from: when the first step is shuffling them around the entire ******* country and refusing them their due rights and privileges, like phones calls and attorneys?
 

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That's a good question, but unfortunately the Supreme court can't go beyond the one particular question in front of them except when they want to.
 

Rhinox

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The history of the Supreme Court is not one where they make the right decision, but one where they continually make the wrong call, the worst decision, side with the wrong parts of history. Only to have their mistake rectified by a new court down the road.
SCOTUS will not save anyone. They never have. Ask anyone with native blood.
 

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How are they supposed to challenge their removal in the district they were removed from: when the first step is shuffling them around the entire ******* country and refusing them their due rights and privileges, like phones calls and attorneys?
Sounds like a plan
 

CoffeeHorse

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That was exactly the plan. Sotomayor's 17 page dissent lays out the timeline pretty well.

In what can be understood only as covert preparation to skirt both the requirements of the Act and the Constitution’s guarantee of due process, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) began moving Venezuelan migrants from Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention centers across the country to the El Valle Detention Facility in South Texas before the President had even signed the Proclamation. The transferred detainees, most of whom denied past or present affiliation with any gang, did not know the reason for their transfer until the evening of Friday, March 14, when they were apparently “pulled from their cells and told that they would be deported the next day to an unknown destination.”

Suspecting that the President had covertly signed a Proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act, several lawyers anticipated their clients’ imminent deportation and filed a putative class action in the District of Columbia. They contested that Tren de Aragua had committed or attempted the kind of “ ‘invasion’ ” or “ ‘predatory incursion’ ” required to invoke the Alien Enemies Act. They also asserted that it would violate the Due Process Clause to deport their clients before they had any chance to challenge the Government’s allegations of gang membership.

In the early morning of March 15, the District Court informed the Government of the lawsuit and scheduled an emergency hearing. Despite knowing of plaintiffs’ claim that it would be unlawful to remove them under the Proclamation, the Government ushered the named plaintiffs onto planes along with dozens of other detainees, all without any opportunity to contact their lawyers, much less notice or opportunity to be heard.

The Government’s plan, it appeared, was to rush plaintiffs out of the country before a court could decide whether the President’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act was
lawful or whether these individuals were, in fact, members of Tren de Aragua.

Recognizing the emergency the Government had created by deporting plaintiffs without due process, the District Court issued a temporary restraining order that same morning.

The court then set an emergency hearing for 5 p.m. that same day, at which it planned to consider plaintiffs’ claim that temporary relief should be extended to a class of all noncitizens subject to the anticipated Proclamation. Despite notice to the Government of the Court’s scheduled hearing, DHS continued to load up the two planes with detainees and scheduled their immediate departure. Not until an hour before the District Court’s scheduled hearing, and only moments before the Government planned to send its planes off to El Salvador, did the White House finally publish the Proclamation on its website.
 

CoffeeHorse

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And the Supreme Court throws DOGE a bone.

President Donald Trump triumphed at the Supreme Court on Tuesday, receiving an emergency pause to the reinstatement of thousands of probationary federal employees terminated in a firing spree.

The justices said a lower court ordered Trump to rehire employees based solely on the accusations of nine nonprofit organizations, which the high court found insufficient to support the organizations’ standing.
 

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I think we should consider getting another court higher than the Supreme Court. Maybe Chicken Bacon Ranch Court.
 


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