Star Trek General Discussion

[The Predaking]

How many people would you recognize from Seal Team Six?

This is one of those situations where people (like the creators of Lower Decks) forget that in-universe characters are not the audience. There are no "famous bridge officers." Dr. McCoy is famous in the medical community, but something tells me these cops haven't read any of his papers on comparative xenobiology or adaptational retroviral pathology. They don't have access to the (mostly still-classified) official logs of the Enterprise's five year mission, and probably wouldn't care if they did; they have jobs of their own to do.

These aren't eager young Academy students nerding out over their career heroes, or well-travelled starship officers or diplomats; they're cops who've probably never even left Earth except for a three-day vacation to Risa.

I get the angle that you are going for, but he is still literally an admiral to this enlisted man. Also, Kirk's tenure on the Constitution class was very well known to the public, especially someone that joins Starfleet. The Constitution class is literally the poster boy for Star fleet ships, mostly due to Kirk and the Enterprise.

The guards may have seen news footage of Admiral Kirk after the V'Ger Incident (which would be the only "saved the Federation" event they'd know about), and they may have been told that their prisoner served with Kirk back when he was a captain, but they have no way of knowing that the short Asian guy is part of Kirk's crew; they think he's just some message-runner from Starfleet Command here to summon the Admiral.

Well Sulu does show them his ID papers, which should let them know that he is a Lt Commander, if not Commander at this point. (I honestly don't know if they say but considering that he is a captain in a few years on a high ranking ship, I would assume he is a commander now. ) Then the guard literally tries to intimidate a senior officer for no reason.

 

[Agent X]

They're supposed to be jerks. How would we, the audience, react to the heroes of the story beating up good, respectful Starfleet officers who treat the crew with admiration (and some generous fanboying) the crew earned.

Or those jerk can be retconned into Section 31 stooges, or something.

 

[Axaday]

So I don't have much time to write this, as I have to get back to a conference, but let me say that I loved the finale. Batel was awesome in this series and while I hate that she is gone, they gave her and Pike this epic send off. I like to think that Pike and his change in attitude at the end are an effect of him living 50+ years with Batel and Juliet, and then getting sucked back to that point in his life. Kind of like when Picard experienced a life time in 40 minutes. The disorientation alone would be epic.

I am a little disappointed that Pike couldn't use his virtual indestructibility to his advantage against the temporal evil creatures. Like Batel was predestined so she had the power to be the sentry now and forever, so why can't Pike stand in to take a hit at least or something but the alien power just doesn't affect him because of his predestination.

On the first season finale, Pike had a plan to prevent his accident and it worked and he came back 30 year later to tell him not to do it after all because the universe depended on him being sidelined before Balance of Terror.

 

[The Predaking]

On the first season finale, Pike had a plan to prevent his accident and it worked and he came back 30 year later to tell him not to do it after all because the universe depended on him being sidelined before Balance of Terror.

Yeah, and there was an episode of Discovery where he said that he should disarm a torpedo lodged in the ship as his destiny means that he would be successful and survive. Yet, again they downplay that predestination that Pike has.

 

[G.B.Blackrock]

That previous potential instance (I confess to not remembering Discovery well) notwithstanding (and it's possible that he was simply wrong in that example), I don't think the show has portrayed Pike's predestination as "nothing else CAN happen to him" (indeed, the end of S1 explicitly suggests otherwise), but rather, "he must not diverge from his predestined course." It's not an excuse for Pike to do stupid things. Time isn't going to protect him. He can still be killed if he does something stupid that he wouldn't have done before believing that he was predestined to live a few more years.

(Incidentally, does Pike know that he's supposed to live beyond the accident, and/or know about his Talosian destiny afterwards, or does he just know that he's destined to HAVE that accident?)

 

[The Predaking]

He is aware of the chair and his condition after the accident. However, he isn't aware of his retirement.