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They're supposed to be jerks. How would we, the audience, react to the heroes of the story beating up good, respectful Starfleet officers who treat the crew with admiration (and some generous fanboying) the crew earned.

Or those jerks can be retconned into Section 31 stooges, or something.
 
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So I don't have much time to write this, as I have to get back to a conference, but let me say that I loved the finale. Batel was awesome in this series and while I hate that she is gone, they gave her and Pike this epic send off. I like to think that Pike and his change in attitude at the end are an effect of him living 50+ years with Batel and Juliet, and then getting sucked back to that point in his life. Kind of like when Picard experienced a life time in 40 minutes. The disorientation alone would be epic.

I am a little disappointed that Pike couldn't use his virtual indestructibility to his advantage against the temporal evil creatures. Like Batel was predestined so she had the power to be the sentry now and forever, so why can't Pike stand in to take a hit at least or something but the alien power just doesn't affect him because of his predestination.
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On the first season finale, Pike had a plan to prevent his accident and it worked and he came back 30 year later to tell him not to do it after all because the universe depended on him being sidelined before Balance of Terror.
 
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Axaday said:
On the first season finale, Pike had a plan to prevent his accident and it worked and he came back 30 year later to tell him not to do it after all because the universe depended on him being sidelined before Balance of Terror.
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Yeah, and there was an episode of Discovery where he said that he should disarm a torpedo lodged in the ship as his destiny means that he would be successful and survive. Yet, again they downplay that predestination that Pike has.
 
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That previous potential instance (I confess to not remembering Discovery well) notwithstanding (and it's possible that he was simply wrong in that example), I don't think the show has portrayed Pike's predestination as "nothing else CAN happen to him" (indeed, the end of S1 explicitly suggests otherwise), but rather, "he must not diverge from his predestined course." It's not an excuse for Pike to do stupid things. Time isn't going to protect him. He can still be killed if he does something stupid that he wouldn't have done before believing that he was predestined to live a few more years.

(Incidentally, does Pike know that he's supposed to live beyond the accident, and/or know about his Talosian destiny afterwards, or does he just know that he's destined to HAVE that accident?)
 
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He is aware of the chair and his condition after the accident. However, he isn't aware of his retirement.
 

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I have been rewatching DS9 and discussing with a friend who is watching it for the first time. Something occurred to me recently and I checked on it. We never see anything except the front room of the runabouts on DS9. Ever. The front room is the size of a shuttlepod. They could've just BEEN shuttlepods.

TNG dressed up a set for the back room on one episode, but I'm not sure they filmed in the same building.
 
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Axaday said:
I have been rewatching DS9 and discussing with a friend who is watching it for the first time. Something occurred to me recently and I checked on it. We never see anything except the front room of the runabouts on DS9. Ever. The front room is the size of a shuttlepod. They could've just BEEN shuttlepods.

TNG dressed up a set for the back room on one episode, but I'm not sure they filmed in the same building.
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You know, I can't recall other than the one episode of TNG where they show the back cabin, so you are probably right. They do mainly stay in the front cabin, but in cannon there was a need for the larger craft whether or not they filmed the back section. Also, I want to say that the front cabin of the runabout was still larger than the entire cabin of a shuttle in TNG as those were about the size of a travel van.
 

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Yeah, I confirmed that they didn't even have a set and absolutely never showed anything but the front except the one TNG episode. It was probably one of their other sets on TNG and they just redressed it and it wasn't available to DS9 production.
 
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The Runabouts were a "there for emergency" idea, which was much more common back before streaming turned every series into a carefully-planned multipart movie.

The writers couldn't have known what future episodes would need, so they set up this idea of a mid-sized ship that could be reconfigured for different missions (as described in the lore; everything behind the cockpit was a modular compartment that could be swapped out).

If you look at the designs for Voyager's aeroshuttle, you can see that it would've been a redressed runabout.
 
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For 80's & Star Trek fans...

 

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I have seen "The Jem'Hadar" many times before, but this time Captain Keogh's voice really stood out familiar to me.

Well it should. Warpath, Seaspray, Skeleton, Man-at-Arms, Cringer

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No bueno having Jem'Hadar show up to your camping trip, but you know what? They should've left as soon as Jake's tricorder said the atmosphere was 2% CO2.
 

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Are they not going to make us wait a couple years this time?

Their shuttles are REALLY roomy.
 
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I'm not one of those people who are down on Newer Trek. I really like Strange New Worlds and LOVE Lower Deck and Prodigy. (Truth be told I havnt watched Discovery or Picard.)

That said I was disappointed by just how little that trailer did for me. I want to be excited by this show but nothing in that trailer looked particularly fun or exciting or nerdishly cool.

-ZacWilliam, I'll be happy to be wrong but so far I'm not excited.
 
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