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[The Predaking]

You bring up some good points about the character changes. I can say that you have a right to be concerned about them as well. However, I think that I can explain the differences between TOS Scotty and SNW Scotty. TOS Scotty past was apparently altered due to temporal shenanigans, and like the Romulan operative said in the alternate past, time keeps pushing back and making sure certain people and events still happen, even if its delayed or pushed forward. Scotty must have been altered in some way to be born later.

 

[Axaday]

You bring up some good points about the character changes. I can say that you have a right to be concerned about them as well. However, I think that I can explain the differences between TOS Scotty and SNW Scotty. TOS Scotty past was apparently altered due to temporal shenanigans, and like the Romulan operative said in the alternate past, time keeps pushing back and making sure certain people and events still happen, even if its delayed or pushed forward. Scotty must have been altered in some way to be born later.

Well, I don't LIKE that, but it IS an explanation with a lantern hung on it.

 

[Cybersnark]

time keeps pushing back and making sure certain people and events still happen, even if its delayed or pushed forward.

Right, which is why alternate universes (like the Mirror Universe and the Kelvin timeline, and all the universes seen in "Parallels") are always broadly similar, with the same people seeming to meet up, even if the context is different. Much like Transformers' own concept of Universal Clusters.

Note that DSC also pointed out that, by the 31st century, the Mirror universe is no longer "accessible," meaning that it has diverged so much that it's no longer "parallel," and is just some other unrelated universe.

 

[The Predaking]

Now the Gorn, must have had a similar temporal issue, as any of the Gorn that we have seen since Enterprise would have ripped Kirk to shreds within minutes.

 

[ZacWilliam1]

The Gorn SFX upgrade doesn't bother me really. The Klingons long ago paved the way for that l, but I do admit that SNW has made them SO deadly it's pretty hard to imagine Kirk fighting one to a stand still hand to hand.

Neither this nor the Scotty thing bother me or prevent me from enjoying the show at all. But I definitely noticed that Kirk's fight seems pretty unfeasible with this "Upgrade".

-ZacWillaim, generally I'm open to accepting what shows give an no prizing when necessary as long as the show and characters are entertaining and likeable and SNW is that for me so I'm fine with it.

 

[Axaday]

Now the Gorn, must have had a similar temporal issue, as any of the Gorn that we have seen since Enterprise would have ripped Kirk to shreds within minutes.

The Gorn SFX upgrade doesn't bother me really. The Klingons long ago paved the way for that l, but I do admit that SNW has made them SO deadly it's pretty hard to imagine Kirk fighting one to a stand still hand to hand.

Neither this nor the Scotty thing bother me or prevent me from enjoying the show at all. But I definitely noticed that Kirk's fight seems pretty unfeasible with this "Upgrade".

-ZacWillaim, generally I'm open to accepting what shows give an no prizing when necessary as long as the show and characters are entertaining and likeable and SNW is that for me so I'm fine with it.

This one is not quite SNW's problem. Enterprise switched the Gorn.

I was willing to let Enterprise redefine an alien that only appeared once in TOS. The TNG episode that introduced the Ferengi is hard to reconcile now and the introduction of the Trill is outright impossible.

However, SNW may actually be FIXING the Gorn issue that Enterprise started and they exacerbated. If that solar thing made the Gore go into a hibernation phase, Kirk may have fought a groggy hibernating Gorn. Or Kirk may have been fighting Batel. Or the Metrons may be mucking around with the Corn trying to make them able to get along.

 

[Cybersnark]

This one is not quite SNW's problem. Enterprise switched the Gorn.

Enterprise only ever depicted one Gorn, and it was in the Mirror Universe (and it at least looked similar enough to be a related subspecies, which is what the novelverse interpreted).

OTOH, it was the movie-based Star Trek video game that completely reinvented them from the ground up as near-feral killing machines.

 

[Axaday]

Enterprise only ever depicted one Gorn, and it was in the Mirror Universe (and it at least looked similar enough to be a related subspecies, which is what the novelverse interpreted).

Watch the clip you linked, man. That's a killing machine Gorn.

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

Yes, I will double-post this in the other thread too...

Strange New Worlds Reveals Doctor Who Connection In Season 3 Finale

Someone on Strange New Worlds met the Doctor.

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[Cybersnark]

Watch the clip you linked, man. That's a killing machine Gorn.

Ah, okay. I thought you were talking about the physical redesign.

And honestly, the MU Gorn struck me as less "lightning-fast cannibalistic predator" and more "big guy fighting on adrenaline." Note that he didn't even bite that MACO, he just picked him up and slammed his head into the wall like a civilized person.

 

[The Predaking]

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[The Predaking]

Also, watching this scene in ST3, these guys are very rude to the most famous admiral in Star Fleet and his LT commander.

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[Fero McPigletron]

Saw the s3 finale.

Well, I saw TrekCulture YT thumbnail with a pic and saw the double post above soooo I had huge expectations. Well...

Anyhow, it felt rushed in a way that there wasn't any other hints of the final threat. Could have put some more suspicious malfunctions before. Still ok tho.

Like how they science-d their way thru the obstacle.

The time thingy might have went on a bit too long. C'mooooon a happy time isn't always that. I know it's suppose to relate to people's wants but there's got to be progressive or alien types of happiness. Still, poignant.

Mbenga had a good role but they still short changed him.

Well, the season went by waaaaay too fast, gosh dang.

 

[Axaday]

I enjoyed this one. It is a strong send-off for Batel. In a vacuum it would be really nice that he gets to remember a long happy life when he is going to have the accident, but we know he's going to have another illusion life afterward so....

I told me wife about it. She isn't a Star Trek fan. She thought it was a little lame to have the memories of a life that isn't real and that wouldn't be the same as a long, happy life and I said, "Well....."

DAD GUM is Kirk on this ship a lot.

 

[Cybersnark]

This was posted a few days ago, but it still applies to the latest episode, and it underlines most of my problems with this season.

In Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Is Biology Destiny? - Reactor

Vulcans are logic machines, Gorn are monsters... or so Strange New Worlds might have us believe.

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[Axaday]

My original take on the point of this show was that it was to tell us the adventures of the Enterprise the years before TOS and that the theme would be "Of COURSE Kirk's crew was great, but there have been so many great crews doing neat things" and the first season really seemed to bear that out. I thought the first finale was weird*, but it didn't shake me. The second season got experimental, but I thought a lot of it was fun. I was very suspicious of the musical episode, but in the end the explanation of it was a little silly, but it was just so good. I like musicals. But ultimately one of the things they said at the start, that this show would be more episodic and not season arcs....they snuck this one through. A lot of stuff that didn't feel like it was driving a season arc was. They definitely went for an epic finish.

*I haven't gotten over the moral of the first season premiere of the show about Captain Pike being "The universe is not going to be okay if you stay in charge of the Enterprise. It is vital that you get sidelined." I thought it was just weird, but it is pretty clear NOW that this show isn't about Pike. It is about how the TOS crew got assembled.