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You bring up some good points about the character changes. I can say that you have a right to be concerned about them as well. However, I think that I can explain the differences between TOS Scotty and SNW Scotty. TOS Scotty past was apparently altered due to temporal shenanigans, and like the Romulan operative said in the alternate past, time keeps pushing back and making sure certain people and events still happen, even if its delayed or pushed forward. Scotty must have been altered in some way to be born later.
 

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You bring up some good points about the character changes. I can say that you have a right to be concerned about them as well. However, I think that I can explain the differences between TOS Scotty and SNW Scotty. TOS Scotty past was apparently altered due to temporal shenanigans, and like the Romulan operative said in the alternate past, time keeps pushing back and making sure certain people and events still happen, even if its delayed or pushed forward. Scotty must have been altered in some way to be born later.
Well, I don't LIKE that, but it IS an explanation with a lantern hung on it.
 

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time keeps pushing back and making sure certain people and events still happen, even if its delayed or pushed forward.
Right, which is why alternate universes (like the Mirror Universe and the Kelvin timeline, and all the universes seen in "Parallels") are always broadly similar, with the same people seeming to meet up, even if the context is different. Much like Transformers' own concept of Universal Clusters.

Note that DSC also pointed out that, by the 31st century, the Mirror universe is no longer "accessible," meaning that it has diverged so much that it's no longer "parallel," and is just some other unrelated universe.
 

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Now the Gorn, must have had a similar temporal issue, as any of the Gorn that we have seen since Enterprise would have ripped Kirk to shreds within minutes.
 

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The Gorn SFX upgrade doesn't bother me really. The Klingons long ago paved the way for that l, but I do admit that SNW has made them SO deadly it's pretty hard to imagine Kirk fighting one to a stand still hand to hand.

Neither this nor the Scotty thing bother me or prevent me from enjoying the show at all. But I definitely noticed that Kirk's fight seems pretty unfeasible with this "Upgrade".

-ZacWillaim, generally I'm open to accepting what shows give an no prizing when necessary as long as the show and characters are entertaining and likeable and SNW is that for me so I'm fine with it.
 

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Now the Gorn, must have had a similar temporal issue, as any of the Gorn that we have seen since Enterprise would have ripped Kirk to shreds within minutes.

The Gorn SFX upgrade doesn't bother me really. The Klingons long ago paved the way for that l, but I do admit that SNW has made them SO deadly it's pretty hard to imagine Kirk fighting one to a stand still hand to hand.

Neither this nor the Scotty thing bother me or prevent me from enjoying the show at all. But I definitely noticed that Kirk's fight seems pretty unfeasible with this "Upgrade".

-ZacWillaim, generally I'm open to accepting what shows give an no prizing when necessary as long as the show and characters are entertaining and likeable and SNW is that for me so I'm fine with it.
This one is not quite SNW's problem. Enterprise switched the Gorn.

I was willing to let Enterprise redefine an alien that only appeared once in TOS. The TNG episode that introduced the Ferengi is hard to reconcile now and the introduction of the Trill is outright impossible.

However, SNW may actually be FIXING the Gorn issue that Enterprise started and they exacerbated. If that solar thing made the Gore go into a hibernation phase, Kirk may have fought a groggy hibernating Gorn. Or Kirk may have been fighting Batel. Or the Metrons may be mucking around with the Corn trying to make them able to get along.
 

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This one is not quite SNW's problem. Enterprise switched the Gorn.

Enterprise only ever depicted one Gorn, and it was in the Mirror Universe (and it at least looked similar enough to be a related subspecies, which is what the novelverse interpreted).


OTOH, it was the movie-based Star Trek video game that completely reinvented them from the ground up as near-feral killing machines.

 

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Watch the clip you linked, man. That's a killing machine Gorn.
Ah, okay. I thought you were talking about the physical redesign.

And honestly, the MU Gorn struck me as less "lightning-fast cannibalistic predator" and more "big guy fighting on adrenaline." Note that he didn't even bite that MACO, he just picked him up and slammed his head into the wall like a civilized person.
 

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Also, watching this scene in ST3, these guys are very rude to the most famous admiral in Star Fleet and his LT commander.

 

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Saw the s3 finale.

Well, I saw TrekCulture YT thumbnail with a pic and saw the double post above soooo I had huge expectations. Well...

Anyhow, it felt rushed in a way that there wasn't any other hints of the final threat. Could have put some more suspicious malfunctions before. Still ok tho.

Like how they science-d their way thru the obstacle.

The time thingy might have went on a bit too long. C'mooooon a happy time isn't always that. I know it's suppose to relate to people's wants but there's got to be progressive or alien types of happiness. Still, poignant.

Mbenga had a good role but they still short changed him.

Well, the season went by waaaaay too fast, gosh dang.
 

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I enjoyed this one. It is a strong send-off for Batel. In a vacuum it would be really nice that he gets to remember a long happy life when he is going to have the accident, but we know he's going to have another illusion life afterward so....

I told me wife about it. She isn't a Star Trek fan. She thought it was a little lame to have the memories of a life that isn't real and that wouldn't be the same as a long, happy life and I said, "Well....."

DAD GUM is Kirk on this ship a lot.
 

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My original take on the point of this show was that it was to tell us the adventures of the Enterprise the years before TOS and that the theme would be "Of COURSE Kirk's crew was great, but there have been so many great crews doing neat things" and the first season really seemed to bear that out. I thought the first finale was weird*, but it didn't shake me. The second season got experimental, but I thought a lot of it was fun. I was very suspicious of the musical episode, but in the end the explanation of it was a little silly, but it was just so good. I like musicals. But ultimately one of the things they said at the start, that this show would be more episodic and not season arcs....they snuck this one through. A lot of stuff that didn't feel like it was driving a season arc was. They definitely went for an epic finish.

*I haven't gotten over the moral of the first season premiere of the show about Captain Pike being "The universe is not going to be okay if you stay in charge of the Enterprise. It is vital that you get sidelined." I thought it was just weird, but it is pretty clear NOW that this show isn't about Pike. It is about how the TOS crew got assembled.
 

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Also, watching this scene in ST3, these guys are very rude to the most famous admiral in Star Fleet and his LT commander.

I haven't seen that movie in a long time and this scene didn't feel very familiar except for the Tiny exchange.
 

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I haven't seen that movie in a long time and this scene didn't feel very familiar except for the Tiny exchange.
Its like, these guys have literally saved the Federation a dozen times over, decorated heroes of the Federation, famous bridge officers on the Enterprise, and one guy is being rude to admiral Kirk, and the other is calling a guy tiny for just making a joke.
 

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So I don't have much time to write this, as I have to get back to a conference, but let me say that I loved the finale. Batel was awesome in this series and while I hate that she is gone, they gave her and Pike this epic send off. I like to think that Pike and his change in attitude at the end are an effect of him living 50+ years with Batel and Juliet, and then getting sucked back to that point in his life. Kind of like when Picard experienced a life time in 40 minutes. The disorientation alone would be epic.

I am a little disappointed that Pike couldn't use his virtual indestructibility to his advantage against the temporal evil creatures. Like Batel was predestined so she had the power to be the sentry now and forever, so why can't Pike stand in to take a hit at least or something but the alien power just doesn't affect him because of his predestination.
 

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Its like, these guys have literally saved the Federation a dozen times over, decorated heroes of the Federation, famous bridge officers on the Enterprise, and one guy is being rude to admiral Kirk, and the other is calling a guy tiny for just making a joke.
How many people would you recognize from Seal Team Six?

This is one of those situations where people (like the creators of Lower Decks) forget that in-universe characters are not the audience. There are no "famous bridge officers." Dr. McCoy is famous in the medical community, but something tells me these cops haven't read any of his papers on comparative xenobiology or adaptational retroviral pathology. They don't have access to the (mostly still-classified) official logs of the Enterprise's five year mission, and probably wouldn't care if they did; they have jobs of their own to do.

These aren't eager young Academy students nerding out over their career heroes, or well-travelled starship officers or diplomats; they're cops who've probably never even left Earth except for a three-day vacation to Risa.

The guards may have seen news footage of Admiral Kirk after the V'Ger Incident (which would be the only "saved the Federation" event they'd know about), and they may have been told that their prisoner served with Kirk back when he was a captain, but they have no way of knowing that the short Asian guy is part of Kirk's crew; they think he's just some message-runner from Starfleet Command here to summon the Admiral.
 


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