I would have to find my old TNG Technical Manual, but I'm pretty sure it's more or less the second option. Except I think the waste is recycled through the replicator system. But I don't think there's actual plumbing?
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Yeah, waste disposal and food replicators are opposite ends of the same process. They didn't say it onscreen until Discovery (because streaming is EDGY, and HIP, and IRONIC), but it's been part of the lore since the 80s.
I knew waste/garbage was atomized for use by the replicators, but running a shower out of a replicator seemed somehow more odd to me, yet still likely the case. TOS era, those guys most definitely had pipes (hell, they even had pipes that went nowhere and did nothing! Just for fun!). I can 100% imagine a very cranky Scotty having to crawl through a jefferie's tube to fix a leak.
Ah, that's true. I had forgotten about that. I guess normal sink type water requirements would be easier to run from some sort of small, water-only replicator.
Didn't they use beer?
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Also, it's amazing how the engineering section is also part of Starfleet HQ:
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Didn't they use beer?
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Also, it's amazing how the engineering section is also part of Starfleet HQ:
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I always figured that was shot in a factory of some kind. Honestly, I appreciate the idea of making it look industrial and such, but I also thought it didn't really look like the inside of a ship so much as the inside of a building.
It's not exactly canon, but some TOS novels suggest sonic showers were in use in that era, so I'm sure they'd be using them by TNG....
There's the sonic shower scene in TMP, so it's not much of a stretch to presume they were in use a few years earlier.
...my mind derped for a second there, with a completely different mental image...
Nice!
Saw the two Starfleet Academy eps.
I thought the first ep was pretty normal. Didn't like the bad guy. I liked the captain sitting in the chair.
Ep2 I rolled my eyes at the start but, later, it grew on me and I guess I like it better.
Will go thru the characters another time but it doesn't have the classic Trek feel cuz it centers on one character. Maybe the next eps will focus on other students.
Also I hope they go to space more and not stuck on a planet.
Cameos!!!!! Woo!
I thought the first ep was pretty normal. Didn't like the bad guy. I liked the captain sitting in the chair.
Ep2 I rolled my eyes at the start but, later, it grew on me and I guess I like it better.
Will go thru the characters another time but it doesn't have the classic Trek feel cuz it centers on one character. Maybe the next eps will focus on other students.
Also I hope they go to space more and not stuck on a planet.
Cameos!!!!! Woo!
Apparently not fanwanky enough. I don't remember all the ship designs but apparently in the 60 years of Trek intro, the 8 or so ships that shift into one another did not include the Cerritos or the prodigy ship?
Yeah, they left out the cartoons,
I am paused, still not done with episode 2. It irritates me. The writers are not Sci-Fi writers or not Star Trek writers? I assumed the psionic barrier was protecting the planet Betazed, but the planet Caleb is looking for is apparently "behind the wall" and "formed after the Burn". Yikes. Planets that new are not too safe, I think.
And the Betazoids, who the Federation desperately wants to rejoin, demand 5 starships be within a certain distance to protect their planet. The Federation comes back "Best we can do is 4". Ships are made in a day with programmable matter and getting Betazed back is not worth making a new one.
Edit - Oh cool. Negotiations fall apart over a starship, but we could move the capital to your planet. And are Betazoids empaths now instead of telepaths?
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My chum and I were confused about the "You only dated me to find your mum" line with the girl. It never seemed to me that was what he was doing (and even if he was, it didn't seem like some sort of clever ruse). It seemed to me to just come out of nowhere to create drama as a last minute addition to the 'plot'.
Overall, I feel this show is trying too hard to cater to the kiddies (filling it to bursting point with the type of 'humour' and lax character behaviour found in Marvel films) and I think it's all the worse for it. Why do young people (apparently the best of the best) need to be told to 'make their beds' and 'arrive at classes on time' like they're a bunch of failing kids at summer school?
And that Doctor Who/Jem Hadar is REALLY annoying, plus the hippie in charge is equally so. SIT in your chair, wear a uniform and stop trying to be a mum and maybe the cadets wouldn't need to be told to stop doing the same?
The rest of the cast also seem one dimensional to me.
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So, now that I've actually seen both episodes (and had most of a night's sleep), my verdict: I loved it and am excited to see more.
I've been on-the-record about my criticism of the Secret Hideout-era shows; that they all felt like the ingredients of Star Trek disassembled and partitioned up. Discovery was "Star Trek: Epic," Picard was "Star Trek: Drama," Lower Decks was "Star Trek: Zany," and Prodigy was "Star Trek: Inspiring."
Part of why Strange New Worlds stands out is that it tries (only semi-successfully) to recapture the range of what Classic Trek was capable of, but even then is hobbled by its questionable place in canon (the producers still insist that it's in-continuity to TOS, despite not possibly being in-continuity to TOS).
Starfleet Academy feels like what SNW is trying to be; it modulates well between drama, action, and character-based comedy, and its 32nd-century setting means that it's almost completely free from previous canon.
Caleb is an annoying punk, but I can forgive that because he's A) 21 years old, B) been living on his own for 15 years, and C) the protagonist of a series that is largely built around the idea of improving oneself. He's really no worse than Dal.
My only concern is that it's still a "lead character and his supporting cast" rather than a true ensemble. I love the other characters, and I don't want Caleb to become the new Burnham.
And the hologram for Goja V looks like an asteroid base; they're not talking about a planet forming, they're talking about someone establishing a shadowport (the fact that the Betazoids know about it suggests that it's too small of a nuisance to eliminate).
What's interesting is that people can come and go from Goja V despite the barrier, which illustrates what the ambassador was saying; the barrier is failing, and they can't count on it to protect them. If people can get out, then pirates and warlords can get in.
Honestly, the ambassador was the one who didn't make sense to me; he admitted that the wall is ineffective, but apparently came in already determined to reject Starfleet's offer. Unless the breakdown was a negotiating tactic and he was expecting Vance to call his bluff (needing ships and crews to protect Betazed and its neighbours is entirely reasonable; the only quibble is what Starfleet's able/willing to commit).
He has every reason to hate Starfleet (which is explicitly more fascist than the 24th-century version we're familiar with), and considers their relationship to be entirely transactional. He's only sticking around until he gets what he wants, and is acting out as much as he can possibly get away with. Unlike the other students, Caleb does not want to be here, and feels no need to live up to Starfleet standards.
I've been on-the-record about my criticism of the Secret Hideout-era shows; that they all felt like the ingredients of Star Trek disassembled and partitioned up. Discovery was "Star Trek: Epic," Picard was "Star Trek: Drama," Lower Decks was "Star Trek: Zany," and Prodigy was "Star Trek: Inspiring."
Part of why Strange New Worlds stands out is that it tries (only semi-successfully) to recapture the range of what Classic Trek was capable of, but even then is hobbled by its questionable place in canon (the producers still insist that it's in-continuity to TOS, despite not possibly being in-continuity to TOS).
Starfleet Academy feels like what SNW is trying to be; it modulates well between drama, action, and character-based comedy, and its 32nd-century setting means that it's almost completely free from previous canon.
Caleb is an annoying punk, but I can forgive that because he's A) 21 years old, B) been living on his own for 15 years, and C) the protagonist of a series that is largely built around the idea of improving oneself. He's really no worse than Dal.
My only concern is that it's still a "lead character and his supporting cast" rather than a true ensemble. I love the other characters, and I don't want Caleb to become the new Burnham.
They do explain during the walk-and-talk that several other planets left along with Betazed and are hidden behind the psionic wall.
And the hologram for Goja V looks like an asteroid base; they're not talking about a planet forming, they're talking about someone establishing a shadowport (the fact that the Betazoids know about it suggests that it's too small of a nuisance to eliminate).
What's interesting is that people can come and go from Goja V despite the barrier, which illustrates what the ambassador was saying; the barrier is failing, and they can't count on it to protect them. If people can get out, then pirates and warlords can get in.
Honestly, the ambassador was the one who didn't make sense to me; he admitted that the wall is ineffective, but apparently came in already determined to reject Starfleet's offer. Unless the breakdown was a negotiating tactic and he was expecting Vance to call his bluff (needing ships and crews to protect Betazed and its neighbours is entirely reasonable; the only quibble is what Starfleet's able/willing to commit).
I agreed with her; consider what it looked like from her perspective. The moment he got information about his mom, that became his main concern, rather than what was best for her or her people (or the risk she'd taken to share proprietary information). It was a bad decision on his part, and I can see why she'd be mad at him.
That was for Caleb specifically. He's clearly brilliant, but half-feral. We don't know exactly what he's been through, but there didn't seem to be anyone else coming to get him out of torture-prison. He clearly doesn't have a crew, and probably not many friends. It's likely he's been taught by experience that everyone will betray him unless he betrays them first.
He has every reason to hate Starfleet (which is explicitly more fascist than the 24th-century version we're familiar with), and considers their relationship to be entirely transactional. He's only sticking around until he gets what he wants, and is acting out as much as he can possibly get away with. Unlike the other students, Caleb does not want to be here, and feels no need to live up to Starfleet standards.