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The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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And I'm not disagreeing. The problem is, now that he's out of the running, he's not news anymore for most people. The left won't bring it up because they don't want that kind of heat, and the right won't bother because they're too busy trying to demonize Mamdani.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
I say let the narrative that people genuinely want what Mamdani is selling play out to its logical conclusion. What's the risk, that voters will just suddenly forget why they don't want to vote for Cuomo and do it anyway?
 

MrBlud

Well-known member
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The thing with politics is there’s never going to be a definitive conclusion.

If Mamdani loses, some people will say he was too progressive while others will say his ethnicity hurt him. Others might say that with two other “nominal” Democrats on the ballot (Adam’s and Cuomo) they bled support from each other and he would’ve won if he were the only Democrat, etc
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
Wait, there's TWO other liberals that are gonna be on the ballot?

OK at this point I am begging you to tell me that New York City uses a ranked ballot system and I just didn't realize it otherwise this whole situation is so much dumber than I realized.
 

G.B.Blackrock

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I say let the narrative that people genuinely want what Mamdani is selling play out to its logical conclusion. What's the risk, that voters will just suddenly forget why they don't want to vote for Cuomo and do it anyway?
The risk is in thinking that voters want left wing extremism, when they really just want (more moderate?) left wingers who won't abuse people.

I want to make sure we actually win elections, first and foremost. If we push politicians that would do what we want, but they can't get elected, it does us no good.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Creating the conditions for the population of new york city to be able to afford to continue living in new york city... is extreme?
 

MrBlud

Well-known member
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The risk is in thinking that voters want left wing extremism, when they really just want (more moderate?) left wingers who won't abuse people.

I want to make sure we actually win elections, first and foremost. If we push politicians that would do what we want, but they can't get elected, it does us no good.

No one running in any serious capacity. Anywhere in the US is even *close* to approaching “left wing extremism”

AOC, Bernie, Mamdani, etc would barely be center left in a civilized Country.

left wing policies of course having majority support among BOTH Democrats and Republicans. So long as you don’t describe them as left wing policies. You ask 10 random people if they think working 40 hours a week should pay you enough to live or if Healthcare or Homes should be affordable and you’re going to get 6-7 people agreeing with you.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
Anyway it's not going to matter how the media spins Mamdani's campaign because having to split the vote with two other people is what's actually going to cost him the election, and no one is going to try to deny that once it's happened.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
Citizen
The risk is in thinking that voters want left wing extremism, when they really just want (more moderate?) left wingers who won't abuse people.

I want to make sure we actually win elections, first and foremost. If we push politicians that would do what we want, but they can't get elected, it does us no good.
I'm very much interested in your definition of left wing extremism. What positions do you think are so extreme that they deserve that title?
 

Anonymous X

Well-known member
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Advocating for universal healthcare and a minimum wage are left-wing extremism in the States, aren’t they?

(I don’t mean that facetiously. It seems like the idea of a basic welfare state is extreme over there.)

(And yes I don’t like actual left-wing extremists, like Trots, etc. They can be as bad as the Trump lot when it comes to thuggishness and inability to engage with anyone slightly ideologically different.)
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
Right wing media has been portraying it as such for like 30 years and unfortunately Fox News and its more unhinged brethren are insanely popular here.... We wouldn't be in this state if Reagan hadn't killed the fairness doctrine back in the 80s.
 

MrBlud

Well-known member
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Social media allowing idiots to (wrongly) think they’re the majority and encase themselves in echo chambers is the real problem and not something the fairness doctrine would fix.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
Social media allowing idiots to (wrongly) think they’re the majority and encase themselves in echo chambers is the real problem and not something the fairness doctrine would fix.
Social media is part of the problem, but the issue started before social media became dominant. The term Moral Majority started being used in the 1970s and rose to prominence in the 1990s. Social media isn't the underlying cause, it just helped accelerate things.
 

G.B.Blackrock

Well-known member
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I'm very much interested in your definition of left wing extremism. What positions do you think are so extreme that they deserve that title?
A lot of the ones you, specifically, have promoted tend to leave me thinking you'd be okay with active violence, although you've routinely denied it, so I'm not sure I can answer that question in a way that will be helpful. It's not that I don't believe you (that you don't actually support violence) so much as I don't think we use terms the same way, as we clearly don't understand each other.
 
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