Harris-Walz / Dems

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
I'm not going to concede the Dems treating Trump with kid gloves is part of some nefarious conspiracy to hasten our march to fascism. I think they are out of touch and trying to live in the past, aka being stupid and failing to adapt, or at least the ones running the party are.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
I feel like the more old-fashioned someone was, the more shocking and outrageous the Republicans' recent behavior would be, if anything. Like, if you've known someone for forty years and they suddenly start acting like a schizophrenic, you're going to be way more alarmed than if it's someone you just met last week.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
You know what else old and out of touch people are good at? Acting like nothing has changed. I can guarantee you schumer is sitting in his office thinking "I will not let them compromise MY values or change MY actions" while planning to reach across the aisle to people whom are actively laughing at him.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
Citizen
We are at that 'adapt or die' moment. For both political parties. Once Trump dies and, let's be honest, it's going to be sooner rather than later, the GOP is going to be jive out of luck until they get their next savior. The Democrats, though, have been allowing their young talent to wither on the vine while continually feeding resources to the elders who need to read the writing on the wall and get out.
With political violence now moving from threats and speech to an immediate and present danger, we need something to change now.
 

Paladin

Well-known member
Citizen
yet another reminder the Democrat party leadership is only interested in preserving its own power and has no interest in actually helping anyone they represent.

 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
They don't have the votes in the Senate to convict. Impeachment proceedings would be a waste of time and resources at this time, unfortunately.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
They didn't have the votes in the Senate to convict the last two times either. Didn't stop them. And back then they actually had a majority, so they were capable of accomplishing other things. Right now there's really nothing to do besides wait for Republicans' terrible bills to hit the floor and vote nay on them, and holding impeachment proceedings aren't going to stop them from doing that.
 

G.B.Blackrock

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One thing that can be done (and, in fact, is currently being done in the Senate vis-a-vis the big spending bill, which I'll call the "Large Ludicrous Legislation" just to deny MAGA its preferred name) is to delay voting on things for as long as legally possible (in this case, by introducing amendments... even when they know the amendments will be voted down), and if it were somehow possible to get an impeachment vote through the House (yeah, not happening right now), that would compel the Senate to stop other business and deal with that, so there would still be SOME benefit....
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
Ooh, right, impeachment proceedings would pre-empt whatever else is trying to happen, all of which is going to be the Republicans' doing. It'd be like filibustering on a meta scale. Well in that case, they should be clogging the system with one impeachment hearing after another until the next election. And since the Republicans don't have a supermajority either and love firing back out of pettiness, maybe they can be baited into countering with useless impeachments of their own, contributing to the cycle.
 

Ironbite4

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Citizen
Ahh New York, New York it's a hell of a town. The Pro-Palestine and Indian Muslim kid's up and the sex offender's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY down!

Yeah New York Mayoral race is all but over. Democrats held their primary last night and OH BOY! Establishment Dems went all in on trying to get one of their own back into power but voters just said no.


Ironbite-Cuomo got flat out obliterated by Mamdani.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
Needs to happen more often. Likely will too. The Democrats have been slow to react so long that people are fed up and looking for a change. They see the bulk of the Democratic party just sitting on their hands while Trump is driving the country off a cliff so they are going to be gravitated to those who are willing to actually fight back. It's why AOC, Al Green and Jasmine Crockett are so popular right now. They are fighting back and ACTUALLY calling the Republicans out on the stuff they are trying to pull. We need more of that, not less.
 

Fullstrength Motleypuss

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Needs to happen more often. Likely will too. The Democrats have been slow to react so long that people are fed up and looking for a change. They see the bulk of the Democratic party just sitting on their hands while Trump is driving the country off a cliff so they are going to be gravitated to those who are willing to actually fight back. It's why AOC, Al Green and Jasmine Crockett are so popular right now. They are fighting back and ACTUALLY calling the Republicans out on the stuff they are trying to pull. We need more of that, not less.
Not that it's going to make any difference. Stephen Miller's Master Plan continues to grind along and any opposition to him will be meaningless once Trump (or Vance if Trump becomes too much of a liability) declares martial law and indefinitely suspends elections.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Not that it's going to make any difference. Stephen Miller's Master Plan continues to grind along and any opposition to him will be meaningless once Trump (or Vance if Trump becomes too much of a liability) declares martial law and indefinitely suspends elections.
That hasn't happened (yet.) so stop acting like it will and act like your choices and protests make a difference. STOP obeying in advance.
 

Fullstrength Motleypuss

Well-known member
Citizen
That hasn't happened (yet.) so stop acting like it will and act like your choices and protests make a difference. STOP obeying in advance.
But they don't. Not a single thing anybody has done so far has made a real difference. People are still being kidnapped in broad daylight and disappeared to who knows where. Trump and his administration continue to climb the golden staircase of stupidity while thumbing their collective noses at the courts. The Republicans, who are realistically the only ones who could stand in the way, continue to craft more and more ways to screw over everyone who's not a billionaire and shove their tongues farther and farther up Trumps tangerine rectum.

So yeah, you keep living in your dream world where somehow this is all going to turn around and get better. I'll be over here in reality preparing for the inevitable worst.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Trump is losing more court cases every day, and the more pressure citizens put on even those worthless wastes of carbon called republicans does influence their decisions. Democracy takes work, especially when under threat. Do your job: harass your representatives, join protests, work with your local community groups.

STOP. OBEYING. IN. ADVANCE.

You can't predict the future, only try to make today and tomorrow better than yesterday was, but you have to put in the time and effort to do it. And your doomerism is only serving to help trumps regime. They want you to fold, they want you to feel helpless and they want you to give up.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
Citizen
So yeah, you keep living in your dream world where somehow this is all going to turn around and get better. I'll be over here in reality preparing for the inevitable worst.
So what are you doing to prepare then(assuming it's something you can discuss openly, of course) other than doomsaying? If all you're doing is saying "We doomed, smoke 'em" then that's not preparing, that's just giving in to despair.
 


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