Harris-Walz / Dems

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
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Yup, and those powers only exist because Congress granted them to the president over a series of several laws that were passed well before he took office.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
Citizen
Attempting to run on the "best economy ever" platform while inflation (regardless of source) was absolutely ******* everyone over was one of several reasons why Harris lost. It was a stupid ******* platform to hang her hat, but God forbid a Democrat say 'hey jive is fucked up and we know it'. But, look how well that went for Jimmy, right?
 

CoffeeHorse

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The worst part of that message is the sneer that tended to accompany it. That came less from Harris and more from her media allies, but people still heard it. Up to election night MSNBC was still pushing crap about how voters were just misinformed about how good the economy really is.

If you're in a grocery store looking at prices and you're concluding you can't buy as much as you used to, it's not because Russia told you that. The prices you see are what you see.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
Citizen
She also ran on the economy while we're in the grip of a massive spike in greedflation. So, you know, maybe the democrats just don't ******* know what they're doing.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
They really don't.

And neither do the voters, or else we'd have primaried all of these idiots ages ago.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
There is an effort by a subsection of the Democratic party to start primarying ineffective democrat incumbents(at least in solidly Dem areas), but we'll have to see how that goes. There's also Bernie(I know he's not 'technically' a Democrat) and AOC's Fighting Oligarchy Tour that seems to be drawing large crowds even in red areas. AOC successfully primaried her Democratic incumbent opponent back in 2018, so there IS a path to do this.
 

Rhinox

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Citizen
A part of the success that republicans have had is they've been moving people out who don't adhere to their current goals. yes, it's a purity test, but look at where we are. We are at the mercy of these assholes who will do whatever the Melon Felon wants.
it is time for the democrat party to solidify its message and start moving against those who aren't part of the program. We watched Biden be publicly and repeatedly sabotaged by the likes of Manchin and Sinema. Who claimed to be democrats, but were not. We need people who will get stuff done, not turn tail and throw vital parts of the party under the bus because "it worked for Trump"
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
I mean, I agree in principle: a unified message and team... but "You're either on board or over board" isn't exactly a welcoming and inclusive message. That's the major difference between the parties communities. Every person purity tested out of the republican camp can find space in the democrat party.

Unless your goal is to force the creation of large scale, viable third parties.
 

Rhinox

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Citizen
I mean, I agree in principle: a unified message and team... but "You're either on board or over board" isn't exactly a welcoming and inclusive message. That's the major difference between the parties communities. Every person purity tested out of the republican camp can find space in the democrat party.

Unless your goal is to force the creation of large scale, viable third parties.
I'm a big believer in a diversity of ideas coming together to create a plan for the greater good. But that entails having people with a deep set of core beliefs that they will not betray. We don't have many of those people in politics. The GOP has demonstrated that every principle they have is, at best, transactional.

If viable third parties do come from that, then I'm super okay with it because we need more choice.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
We literally can't have viable third parties due to the way our elections and legislative branch are structured(first past the post isn't conductive to there being a viable 3rd party). Best we can hope for is something akin to an alignment shift or for one of the major parties to dissolve and a new party to take their place.(AKA Whigs breaking up and then re-coalescing into the Republican Party)
 

CoffeeHorse

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The Republican party has been breaking up and re-coalescing. The party of Reagan is dead, and the party of Bush became MSNBC hosts. Meanwhile Reagen era Democrats are currently running the party, and they're still trying strategies to defeat Reagan. They can't seem to land a punch because they're punching at ghosts.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
And when they do get into power, they have no agenda beyond "sit on my ass watching the people continue to suffer and occasionally remind them how much worse it could be if we let the other guys win."

This is exactly the kind of scenario that the Founding Fathers pictured leading to another revolution, but it won't because multiple generations have instilled in half the country the idea that fighting back in self defense makes you no better than the bad guys.
 

CoffeeHorse

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I know why Schumer folded on that funding bill without even asking for anything. He couldn't think of anything he wanted. He's been in congress since 1981! and he's out of ideas.
 


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