Anti-Semitism

Thylacine 2000

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If people don't want Jews to move to Israel, it would be a good idea to start treating crimes against us elsewhere like they were bad. Just a thought.
 

MrBlud

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That is depressing.

MORE depressing is Labour Party insiders who are 100% going to say the reason they lost is because they didn’t move far enough to the right instead of that being the entire problem.
 

LordGigaIce

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That is depressing.

MORE depressing is Labour Party insiders who are 100% going to say the reason they lost is because they didn’t move far enough to the right instead of that being the entire problem.
The last "solidly left wing" Labour leader oversaw a massive tolerance of antisemitism in the party.
 

Anonymous X

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The last "solidly left wing" Labour leader oversaw a massive tolerance of antisemitism in the party.
I mean, there’s plenty of political space between Corbyn’s positions and those of Starmer in his endless attempts at trying to outflank the Tories from the right. The first thing Starmer did was cram through a load of austerity measures (including, controversially abolishing winter fuel allowances for pensioners) and ramped up anti-immigration policies. He pretty much alienated a whole swathe of progressive voters, but that also didn’t help him attract any right-wing voters either.
 

LordGigaIce

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I mean, there’s plenty of political space between Corbyn’s positions and those of Starmer in his endless attempts at trying to outflank the Tories from the right. The first thing Starmer did was cram through a load of austerity measures (including, controversially abolishing winter fuel allowances for pensioners) and ramped up anti-immigration policies. He pretty much alienated a whole swathe of progressive voters, but that also didn’t help him attract any right-wing voters either.
The idea of a progressive left wing Labour Party that also takes a firm stance against antisemitism is theoretically possible.

But right now? I'll believe it when I see it.
 

Anonymous X

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Honestly, the Corbynite weirdos have largely left Labour (or been expelled, judging from my local party). Unfortunately, they’ve started infecting the E&W Green Party and turning that into a Continuity Corbyn Party rather than its usual place as a centre-left party for urbanites and graduates.

One thing* I’ll definitely applaud Starmer for is really cracking down on the left-antisemitic fringe that infested the party, and very publicly condemning antisemitism more than any other prime minister in my lifetime. He’s on the right side of history in that regard.

* to be fair to Starmer, other good things his government has done: keeping out of the Iran war, enacting a whole sweep of extra workers’ rights, reforming rental laws towards protecting tenants, reversing the Tories’ restrictions on renewable energy, and joining the EU fund to help Ukraine.
 

Thylacine 2000

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Mamdani broke his promise to endorse Adrian Espaillat, long-serving chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. He is instead endorsing Darializa Chevalier, a DSA blogger with no political experience and who attended a Hamas victory rally on Oct. 8 2023.


"We have never seen this before, ever. You've never seen a mayor come in, and the first thing he does is declare civil war on members of Congress that he needs in Washington," Polanco said. "It either shows a lack of understanding of New York City politics, it shows an overabundance of hubris because of TikTok popularity, or it can show to be one of the most incredibly well-done Machiavellian moves that we've ever seen in New York City politics."

CBS News New York political reporter Marcia Kramer says Mamdani is looking to use his popularity and his brand to get like-minded people in Washington.

Kramer says the endorsements are a gamble, however, because House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries is trying to lead a Democratic campaign to flip the House, and now he has to spend campaign cash to defend two members of his caucus, Goldman and Espaillat.
 

Rhinox

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"attended a Hamas rally in 2023"

We're really just looking for reasons aren't we? A rally. 3 bloody years ago. There isn't an eye roll big enough.
And frankly, considering all he's done and done well, Mamdani can do what he wants at this point. It's clear he knows how to get things done for people.
 

Ultra Magnus13

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"attended a Hamas rally in 2023"

We're really just looking for reasons aren't we? A rally. 3 bloody years ago. There isn't an eye roll big enough.
And frankly, considering all he's done and done well, Mamdani can do what he wants at this point. It's clear he knows how to get things done for people.

If it was truly a Hamas rally, and not just pro Palestine, then its very relevant. Hamas is absolutely a terrorist organization. Supporting a terrorist organization should be relevant to your political career indefinitely.
 

Thylacine 2000

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"attended a Hamas rally in 2023"

We're really just looking for reasons aren't we? A rally. 3 bloody years ago. There isn't an eye roll big enough.
And frankly, considering all he's done and done well, Mamdani can do what he wants at this point. It's clear he knows how to get things done for people.

You don't actually believe that, and you would never even feign such a statement about any other issue. Charlottesville was more than 3 years ago. The Jan 6 riot was more than 3 years ago. Forgive all of those people first, and then when you're done with them you can get around to forgiving 2023.

And from a doing-his-actual-job perspective, Mamdani has accomplished little, mostly reversing executive orders from his predecessor. His extremely online smartass aura is indeed a performance, but it isn't job performance.
 
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Rhinox

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You don't actually believe that, and you would never even feign such a statement about any other issue. Charlottesville was more than 3 years ago. The Jan 6 riot was more than 3 years ago. Forgive all of those people first, and then when you're done with them you can get around to forgiving 2023.

And from a doing-his-actual-job perspective, Mamdani has accomplished little, mostly reversing executive orders from his predecessor. His extremely online smartass aura is indeed a performance, but it isn't job performance.

I absolutely do. Attending a rally, emphasis on a. As in singular. One. Not full throated support of a terrorist organization, not attempting to overthrow a government or act in a riotous capacity. But attended a rally. Yeah, that's just nothing. hug, I attended a tea party rally once. Just to see what it was all about.
And that you'd equate merely having presence at a rally with Jan 6 or Charlottesville is extraordinarily disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. Do better. Seriously, man. Tell me, at this rally she attended, was there an attempt to stop a peaceful transition of power for a nation? Was there a riot or property damage and death? Or was it just a rally for a group you don't care for?

And from a 'doing his job' perspective, no Mamdani has done a hell of a lot. Balanced a budget, filled a ton of potholes. Led to a massive drop in violent crime and murder. He's doing the job and he's doing it well.
 

Thylacine 2000

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"....a group you don't care for...."?

In my 25 years on Allspark I have blocked exactly 2 people. One PM'ed me while drunk and called me a "queer." The other was a Young Earth Creationist who also harassed me in PMs.

Your ho-hum, who-cares attitude towards the textbook cut-and-paste basic Nazism of Hamas, and abandonment of all moral reasoning required for that, made you the third.

No loss.
 

Rhinox

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Spare me your justifications. You have no response to what I consider a valid point. But instead of looking at things and engaging in good faith conversation, you choose to run away after being called out for your intellectual dishonesty.

No loss indeed.
 

Ironbite4

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Wouldn't worry about it. Israel could commit the most heinous of war crimes against everybody and Thy here would be telling us that it's no ok to even remotely bring that up. Because....Anti-Semitism or something.

Ironbite-no big loss at all on your part.
 

Thylacine 2000

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"Hamas is just a group you don't like"

"Thy would call that antisemitism or something"


Boy did this post send up the psycho signal or what? Imagine making THIS EXACT ISSUE - the victory celebrations of Oct 8 2023 - the line in the sand to defend.
 

abates

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If it was truly a Hamas rally, and not just pro Palestine, then its very relevant. Hamas is absolutely a terrorist organization. Supporting a terrorist organization should be relevant to your political career indefinitely.
Nowhere in the linked article does it say it was a Hamas rally. It just says pro-Palestinian. Also as mentioned in that article, Chevalier has condemned Hamas.
 

PrimalxConvoy

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"Mamdani made it a priority to conspicuously and consistently celebrate the holy month of Ramadan as mayor. He also walked a tight rope – carefully wording statements denouncing pro-Hamas chants, for example, and another denouncing a foiled bombing plot against a pro-Palestinian activist. Meanwhile, anti-Muslim hate crimes – while still limited numerically – saw a troubling increase in the first months of 2026. – Jeff Coltin.."

 

Thylacine 2000

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At a pro-Hamas rally on Sunday in the heart of New York City, speaker after speaker praised the slaughter of civilians that had taken place in Israel the day before, after the militant group overwhelmed Israeli defenses in an audacious, unexpected raid.

"And as you might have seen, there was some sort of rave or desert party where they were having a great time, until the resistance came in electrified hang gliders and took at least several dozen hipsters," one speaker joked about the Hamas assault on a desert rave



Among the pro-Palestinian side, the mood was celebratory and spiteful. Demonstrators chanted “700,” apparently referring to the confirmed number of Israeli fatalities in the attack so far, and held up the number seven on their hands while making throat-slitting gestures. Others flashed victory signs with their hands while shouting insults. One man held up a picture of an Israeli hostage on his phone and waved it at the Israeli crowd. Another was seen brandishing an image of a swastika.


It's funny.... As a very pro-Israel person I always take pains NOT to conflate sympathy for Palestinians with support for Hamas. Yet time after time, so-called "pro-Palestinians" are eager to conflate them for me. It makes for poor allyship.
 


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