Maybe, they had similar grey morals, but I never heard of them compared to that way before.
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So I watched two TOS episodes that I haven't seen in so long that I absolutely had no memory of them.
Tholian Web: Basically Space and the multiverse are going crazy in this region of space, and the Defiant, a fellow Constitution class ship is phasing in and out of space while its crew has beaten themselves to death. Away Team beams back to the Enterprise but Kirk is trapped on the ship as it phases. People start going nuts on the Enterprise, McCoy and Spock get at each others throat of the situation. They fail to save Kirk due to the Tholians showing up to threaten the Enterprise, and mess up the precarious space balance. Now the Enterprise is being put inside of a laser web and they have to get Kirk back and escape before the web is done.
For it being called Tholian Web, the Tholians have very little to do with this episode. Its mostly about Spock and McCoy and their efforts to save the crew form going mad while waiting to rescue Kirk. Over all, it's a great episode, but it really didn't need the Tholians at all for the plot.
Wink of an Eye: Basically, the ship answers a distress call from a planet. They beam down to find abandon cities, but can't find the people sending the message. One of the landing crew vanishes, and everyone beams back to the ship. Suddenly things start going awry around the ship, and they realize that they have been boarded. Unable to do anything to stop the intruders, they decided to let them make the next move. Suddenly Kirk drinks some spiked coffee and vanishes. However to his perspective, everyone else isn't moving. The Queen explains that the males on their planet have become sterile and they need men to help repopulate and they would be taking their ship and cryofreezing everyone until they were needed. After some romance with Kirk, kirk escapes and disables the transporter to buy time. He gets the record tape to Spock who figures that the buzzing sound they hear is that the people are speed up and manages to speed himself up. They destroy the cryo device and stop the aliens. Spock then uses his super speed to repair the ship and rejoins the rest of the crew. Should note here that she did get what she wanted out of Kirk. It would be neat if these aliens ever came back and we see a line of his descendants.
Tholian Web: Basically Space and the multiverse are going crazy in this region of space, and the Defiant, a fellow Constitution class ship is phasing in and out of space while its crew has beaten themselves to death. Away Team beams back to the Enterprise but Kirk is trapped on the ship as it phases. People start going nuts on the Enterprise, McCoy and Spock get at each others throat of the situation. They fail to save Kirk due to the Tholians showing up to threaten the Enterprise, and mess up the precarious space balance. Now the Enterprise is being put inside of a laser web and they have to get Kirk back and escape before the web is done.
For it being called Tholian Web, the Tholians have very little to do with this episode. Its mostly about Spock and McCoy and their efforts to save the crew form going mad while waiting to rescue Kirk. Over all, it's a great episode, but it really didn't need the Tholians at all for the plot.
Wink of an Eye: Basically, the ship answers a distress call from a planet. They beam down to find abandon cities, but can't find the people sending the message. One of the landing crew vanishes, and everyone beams back to the ship. Suddenly things start going awry around the ship, and they realize that they have been boarded. Unable to do anything to stop the intruders, they decided to let them make the next move. Suddenly Kirk drinks some spiked coffee and vanishes. However to his perspective, everyone else isn't moving. The Queen explains that the males on their planet have become sterile and they need men to help repopulate and they would be taking their ship and cryofreezing everyone until they were needed. After some romance with Kirk, kirk escapes and disables the transporter to buy time. He gets the record tape to Spock who figures that the buzzing sound they hear is that the people are speed up and manages to speed himself up. They destroy the cryo device and stop the aliens. Spock then uses his super speed to repair the ship and rejoins the rest of the crew. Should note here that she did get what she wanted out of Kirk. It would be neat if these aliens ever came back and we see a line of his descendants.
Conversation at work today: Would you use a Star Trek transporter?
I said no, as I'm of the belief that the actual person dies each time they are transported and a copy is made at the destination. I use Thomas Riker's existence as proof.
Anyone else want to chime in?
I said no, as I'm of the belief that the actual person dies each time they are transported and a copy is made at the destination. I use Thomas Riker's existence as proof.
Anyone else want to chime in?
Supposedly it doesn't do that. From my understanding, it breaks you down into atoms, moves your atoms, then reassembles them at the destination.
However this reminds of a facebook reel I have seen multiple times where a group of interns is to give an evaluation of a company that has Star trek style Transporters. Various people say its worth billions as a travel company, but one intern says that marketing data shows that customers wouldn't send their family through, but have no qualms using it for shipping. Said that it would take a generation for them to get people to use it.
However this reminds of a facebook reel I have seen multiple times where a group of interns is to give an evaluation of a company that has Star trek style Transporters. Various people say its worth billions as a travel company, but one intern says that marketing data shows that customers wouldn't send their family through, but have no qualms using it for shipping. Said that it would take a generation for them to get people to use it.
Referenced in Enterprise, actually; transporters had been around for years, but the NX-01's were the first to be human-rated, rather than just for cargo. They still avoided using them except in emergencies.
(The tie-in novels later established that they were causing cumulative genetic damage; poor Malcolm here will never have children. Which neatly explains why McCoy, nearly a century later, would still be skeptical, because he's a doctor and has seen Phlox's research.)
It was sometimes referred to as beaming and for good reason as shown in TNG episode Realm of Fear where Barclay goes through a transporter beam.
I'd be curious what the percentage is of people who are very hesitant to use the transporter in "civilian" Federation society. It's seen as being pretty rare amongst Star Fleet (McCoy and Barclay being the only ones I can think of that have a real objection to it), but if you work on a star ship, using the transporter is going to be a pretty unavoidable part of your life. McCoy didn't like it, but seemed to have made his peace with having to use it, while Realm of Fear showed how complicated it was for Barclay to avoid using it. But if you're not in Star Fleet, it may be quite possible to go your whole life without stepping into a transporter, maybe even without trying to actively avoid it. For people that don't have transporters as part of their everyday lives, I could see a much higher ratio of them being wary of it.
Was the reference to Archer's dog also a small reference to "that scene" in the "Fly 2" (don't watch it)?
The beagle was lost in transwarp beaming. There was to be a post credits scene at the end where the beagle was safely intercepted and materialised on the Enterprise thanks to Spock telling Scotty that space was moving.
I think transporter accidents like the one in the first Star Trek film would deter a lot of people.
I think transporter accidents like the one in the first Star Trek film would deter a lot of people.
Yet by the time we get to Picard Season 1, we have teleporting archways outside Star fleet HQ.
Did McCoy have a regular thing of not wanting to transport? I know he made a big deal of it on the Motion Picture, but Xon had just died on the pad.
I would think that had been normal before that. We don't see civilian life on earth that much, but I like to think that replaced the subway.
In the first season of Earth Final Conflict, transporters were handled like an airport and it was a big production and people would line up and stuff, but by season 2 or 3, they were kiosks along the sidewalk like a payphone.
In all honestly, I'm struggling to remember any authentic TOS-era instances. All I can say is that, yes, his reputation for not liking transporters is pretty strong, without reference to TMP.
Pulaski (in TNG season 2) was written to have such a quirk against transporters intentionally to evoke McCoy.
In addition to being bull-headed with the Captain and borderline racist to the one without emotions.
Oh, certainly she was absolutely a McCoy expy. I was simply using her as evidence of McCoy transporter's issues to respond to Axaday.
Set phasers to funk, maximum polyester spread.
Extremely minor thing that I was wondering about yesterday. Do Federation ships of the TNG era have, like, real plumbing? Or is the grey water disintegrated and new clean water replicated on-demand?