At least -- as far as we know -- Feige isn't as horrendous as McMahon.
Thunderbolts*
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Indeed. Though McMahon being that awful is probably the only reason he was eventually forced out.
From a purely creative perspective, though, Vince was shot. And I think Feige might be too. The only real hits Marvel has had since Endgame have been movies that banked heavily on nostalgia for older movies that weren't even MCU films originally. With that in mind it's no secret why so much of the latest Avengers movie cast list was Fox X-Men alumni. Going back to the wrestling analogy, it's like that same 2019-2022 period where the only reliably over acts were the old part timers on nostalgia runs.
Vince McMahon's sins far exceeded booking bad pro wrestling, but creatively speaking that was very much an issue keeping people away. I don't know if Kevin Feige is fairing any better on that front.
He clearly had the Midas touch once, but it seems like his style and creative instincts just aren't connecting like they used to. And like every creator at that point, going to bank on nostalgia for what came before as his saving grace.
It's out on disc now, so I watched it last night. Interesting time jump amount for the post-credits scene, as it seemed like the end of this year's Captain America film implied Sam was getting his Avengers going pretty quickly after the cleanup.
Also, while we now know what the asterisk was supposed to stand for, I still think it stands for the meme "* Men will do anything rather than get therapy."
---Dave
Also, while we now know what the asterisk was supposed to stand for, I still think it stands for the meme "* Men will do anything rather than get therapy."
---Dave
I screamed at the post credits scene.
There's only four superhero movies this year? My ranking is
Thunderbolts
Superman
Fantastic Four
Captain sAmerica
I connected to Thunderbolts more over Superman.
There's only four superhero movies this year? My ranking is
Thunderbolts
Superman
Fantastic Four
Captain sAmerica
I connected to Thunderbolts more over Superman.
Superman
Fantastic Four
Thunderbolts
Captain America: Brave New World
for me
Fantastic Four
Thunderbolts
Captain America: Brave New World
for me
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Captain America: Brave New World
for me.
Captain America: Brave New World
for me.
I haven't seen the other two yet. =(
Same. Im much more of a Marvel guy but Superman was super refreshing and good.
Just got to see this. I was very surprised and very impressed by this movie. While it does have heroes and powers, it is, at its core, a movie about depression, loss, and finding a reason to move on. Powerful messages well presented with great actors.
This is a damn fine movie.
This is a damn fine movie.
I tend to vacillate between Marvel and DC but Superman was just really good.
Thing is I actually really enjoyed FF and Thunderbolts* too.
The only real clunker has been Captain America: Brave New World
Man, I hope they do well at Doomsday. I feel like they might be used as cannon fodder to show how ruthless the new bad guy would be.
Really none of them are a joke. Red Guardian is past his prime, but the mortals are comparable to Captain America and Black Widow. And Sentry...I don't know what he has to worry about from Doom.
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I think they hit a higher notch on superhuman supersoldier in this movie. Until "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" I maintained the assumption that Captain America was just a fully-realized human. That show had a super soldier jump up to a balcony and it caught me by surprise. I know Cap had held a helicopter, but I feel like that's not outside the normal realm of a movie action hero. But Zow. Walker jumped straight up out of sight. Probably like 100 feet straight up....
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The "great" thing about super soldier powersets is that they're pretty vague so the writer can tone them down or up depending on what's needed. You can't have a consistent power set if the writer never establishes the limits!
That's fair.
But I'm just saying that the MCU has always been fast and loose with the definition of their superhero power sets.
This is by design. They can have their characters seem as vulnerable or powerful as they need without having to be constricted by past canon. It's a genius writing technique if you can get the audience to buy in, but it does lead to inconsistency long term.
But I'm just saying that the MCU has always been fast and loose with the definition of their superhero power sets.
This is by design. They can have their characters seem as vulnerable or powerful as they need without having to be constricted by past canon. It's a genius writing technique if you can get the audience to buy in, but it does lead to inconsistency long term.
Cap did throw a motorcycle at one point.
Also, if you go by the comics, other factors can affect how a SuperSoldierSerum recipient's abilities express. For instance, interaction with Madame Hydra's poison gave Cap Spider-Man level strength for a while. On top of that, the serum made Captain America out of scrawny Steve Rogers, someone who started stronger might've also ended stronger. (And of course, all the various attempts at recreating the original serum tended to be wrong in one way or another, but often in the comics gave more raw power.)
---Dave
Also, if you go by the comics, other factors can affect how a SuperSoldierSerum recipient's abilities express. For instance, interaction with Madame Hydra's poison gave Cap Spider-Man level strength for a while. On top of that, the serum made Captain America out of scrawny Steve Rogers, someone who started stronger might've also ended stronger. (And of course, all the various attempts at recreating the original serum tended to be wrong in one way or another, but often in the comics gave more raw power.)
---Dave