X-Men '97 - continuation of 1992 Animated Series

Steevy Maximus

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Pump it into my brain!

For the nerdy:
Cyclops and Jean are wearing pre-Blue/Gold Team X-Factor uniforms, while everyone else is wearing the "neo-classic" uniforms from the same period. Wolverine is wearing his dew-rag mask, as he sported in the comics after mutating from the Adamantium removal. And hey! It's Ozymandias! Apocalypse's caretaker introduced during the Onslaught saga. And some "time displaced" Horsemen who might be other nods. The robots, to me, have a passing resemblance to AoA's Holocaust.
 

Shadewing

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Pump it into my brain!

For the nerdy:
Cyclops and Jean are wearing pre-Blue/Gold Team X-Factor uniforms, while everyone else is wearing the "neo-classic" uniforms from the same period. Wolverine is wearing his dew-rag mask, as he sported in the comics after mutating from the Adamantium removal. And hey! It's Ozymandias! Apocalypse's caretaker introduced during the Onslaught saga. And some "time displaced" Horsemen who might be other nods. The robots, to me, have a passing resemblance to AoA's Holocaust.

I'm sorry but one of the guys they are fighting reminds me of this:
 

Shadewing

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Watched the three episodes today. Second episode is my favorite.

We check in on all three time periods; Future, Present, and Past.

First up is Cable's origins based on the old Cyclops and Pheonix miniseries. I know Storm is Omega level, but her being able to influence solar storms seems a bit much. Episode seems to confirm that the Ashanti Mistress is Racheal Summers, something I dont remember if it was ever made this blatent in the comics. Mostly the episode is about Scott and Jean trying to be parents to Nathan.

Episode 2 gets props for changing the opening to be X-Force themed. Jubilee gains several levels in badass as she ends up tanking an enemy encampment pretty much solo. We see a lot of cameo of modern X-kids that didn't exist in 97/98, but we also see several that will go on to form Gen X, and Jubilee's new costume is her Gen X look. I am wondering if she'll be starting the team this season. We also get Emma Frost, but not sure if she's mentor material like she was in the comics. Though some of the mutants Jubs frees look to be her Cuckoos.

Epi 3, back to the Past. Magneto is trying to change En Sabah Nur to be the first X-Man and to believe in Mutant-Human relations. Charles is skeptical of this both becuase of who he knows Apocalypse to be, and becuase he fears changing the time stream too much. Main villian is Rama Tut who most know best as Kang the Conquerer. Things don't go well, as En learns of the X-men hording tech to build something and then Rama launches an attack. TBC
 

Steevy Maximus

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If you thought they were going to slow down after last season? They aren't even flying the death flags like most series and shows!

Again, I'm really loving the maturation these revival has brought to X-Men, and animated hero shows in general. While never gratuitous, every impact counts, and counts HARD. There are lessons to be learned here for people writing most modern media, including comics and animated series.
 

Shadewing

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These episodes have solidified for me that Onslaught is coming sooner then later. They keep showing the Fatal Attraction scene in the credits, last week There was a planet that looked like Onslaught's head, this week
Charles is mindlinked to Magnus as Apocalypse turns him into chunky Salsa
It feels like they are not being subtle about it.

Theory:

In the comics, Onsluaght ended with Heroes Reborn/Return. They pretty obviously can't do that. But there is a similar idea that they CAN do, that fits with how they remix the comic stories. House of M/M-Day. I could see the conflict with Onsluaght ending with us dealing with an AU that everyone got sucked into where Mutants and Humans live harmonously, but with Mutants as the top of the food chain and all the characters seeming to live their best lives, but a few realizing that its wrong.
 

Steamed Hams

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Like last season, they'll wrap Apocalypse up in episode 7 or 8 and show a greater scope villain of Onslaught.
 

The Predaking

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Watched the three episodes today. Second episode is my favorite.

We check in on all three time periods; Future, Present, and Past.

First up is Cable's origins based on the old Cyclops and Pheonix miniseries. I know Storm is Omega level, but her being able to influence solar storms seems a bit much. Episode seems to confirm that the Ashanti Mistress is Racheal Summers, something I dont remember if it was ever made this blatent in the comics. Mostly the episode is about Scott and Jean trying to be parents to Nathan.

Episode 2 gets props for changing the opening to be X-Force themed. Jubilee gains several levels in badass as she ends up tanking an enemy encampment pretty much solo. We see a lot of cameo of modern X-kids that didn't exist in 97/98, but we also see several that will go on to form Gen X, and Jubilee's new costume is her Gen X look. I am wondering if she'll be starting the team this season. We also get Emma Frost, but not sure if she's mentor material like she was in the comics. Though some of the mutants Jubs frees look to be her Cuckoos.

Epi 3, back to the Past. Magneto is trying to change En Sabah Nur to be the first X-Man and to believe in Mutant-Human relations. Charles is skeptical of this both becuase of who he knows Apocalypse to be, and becuase he fears changing the time stream too much. Main villian is Rama Tut who most know best as Kang the Conquerer. Things don't go well, as En learns of the X-men hording tech to build something and then Rama launches an attack. TBC

It was confirmed that Phoenix, aka Rachael Summers, was Mother Ashanti and that she pulled Scott and Jean into the future, into new bodies even. Loved hearing Gates McFadden voice her character too!

I loved the first episode, but felt it was too easy for them to beat apocalypse there. Like once they got into the city and took out the horsemen, that was it.

The X-force episode was great, but I think that War went down too easily. Also, I really think that they overdid it with not wanting to kill a horseman of Apocalypse. Like it went beyond being the good guy to the point where it didn't make sense.

Episode 3 was good, but they don't really show much of En sab nur's abilities as the first mutant. John DeLancie voicing Kang was great, especially when he was talking for multiple versions of himself. Also, why is hoarding the tech such a crime?
 

The Predaking

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These episodes have solidified for me that Onslaught is coming sooner then later. They keep showing the Fatal Attraction scene in the credits, last week There was a planet that looked like Onslaught's head, this week
Charles is mindlinked to Magnus as Apocalypse turns him into chunky Salsa
It feels like they are not being subtle about it.

Theory:

In the comics, Onsluaght ended with Heroes Reborn/Return. They pretty obviously can't do that. But there is a similar idea that they CAN do, that fits with how they remix the comic stories. House of M/M-Day. I could see the conflict with Onsluaght ending with us dealing with an AU that everyone got sucked into where Mutants and Humans live harmonously, but with Mutants as the top of the food chain and all the characters seeming to live their best lives, but a few realizing that its wrong.

It looked like he vaporized him, as the helmet was the only thing to survive.

Also, I want to point out that Magneto vs Apocalyspe should always end with Apocalypse having to recharge after Magnus kills him. This battle with all these super powerful mutants and they can't even stop En Sab Nur? And if Magneto threw the ship into the black hole it was generating, then how does Apocalypse have it later on?

Also, I am totally looking forward to seeing the onslaught story take place. I was half expecting Prof X to does something relating to that to Apocalypse after he killed Magneto.
 

Steevy Maximus

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I kinda expect that they'll never actuall mention "Kang" and just keep him Rama-Tut; keep things semi-ambigous so as not to get lumped into MCU narrative by every casual watcher (if they are true about wanting to keep animated stuff seperate from Live Action) but also be "if you know, you know."
I just happen to see this and I’m amused that not only did the show acknowledge almost ALL of his alternate identities (Nathaniel Richards, Victor Timely, Kang), but opted to have him voiced by John de Lancie. It was actually an inspired bit of casting, IMO.
 

Shadewing

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I just happen to see this and I’m amused that not only did the show acknowledge almost ALL of his alternate identities (Nathaniel Richards, Victor Timely, Kang), but opted to have him voiced by John de Lancie. It was actually an inspired bit of casting, IMO.

It did surprise me that they not only named dropped all his alias' but had him hug off after changing into the tradtional Kang look. For him basically being a glorified cameo, they went all out on him.
 

Tuxedo Prime

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It did surprise me that they not only named dropped all his alias' but had him hug off after changing into the tradtional Kang look. For him basically being a glorified cameo, they went all out on him.
But did they acknowledge that we'd seen him before in the series?
 

Steevy Maximus

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It did surprise me that they not only named dropped all his alias' but had him hug off after changing into the tradtional Kang look. For him basically being a glorified cameo, they went all out on him.
There is speculation that he was originally intended to be the MCU Kang, including voicework from Jonathan Majors, to tie into Kang Dynasty.

It has been reported that Matthew Chauncey was brought in for “rewrites” after Beau de Mayo’s removal, so modifying the Kang role might well have been part of that. From what is known about production timetables, Marvel certainly DID have the time to go back and modify Rama Tut/Kang’s depiction and voicework before premiere.
 

Shadewing

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There is speculation that he was originally intended to be the MCU Kang, including voicework from Jonathan Majors, to tie into Kang Dynasty.

It has been reported that Matthew Chauncey was brought in for “rewrites” after Beau de Mayo’s removal, so modifying the Kang role might well have been part of that. From what is known about production timetables, Marvel certainly DID have the time to go back and modify Rama Tut/Kang’s depiction and voicework before premiere.

My original comment was my thinking they'd remove any references to Kang and just leave it ambigous that Rama-Tut is connected to him. It felt like for awhile Marvel wanted to burn Kang from anything outside the comics.
 

Echowarrior

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I get the feeling that Kang showing up was meant as a clever bit of synergy more than anything else. Made perfect sense, too.
 

LordGigaIce

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I get the feeling that Kang showing up was meant as a clever bit of synergy more than anything else. Made perfect sense, too.
Well until it didn't...
 
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