What stupid thing did the GOP say or do this time? Episode 3!

Axaday

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Tucker is surprisingly vulnerable about his history with Iraq.

Edit - Now interviewee is asking interviewer a question and not a little one. Is there any military action Trump has taken that you agree with? Ted, it doesn't matter! He is the interviewER.

Edit - Tucker actually loses composure laughing at Ted...
 
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Ted Cruz is a Tea Partier who never figured out what he wanted to do besides opposing Obama, so he's morphing into just another basic evangelical Republican. The only noticeable thing he does anymore is struggle in his reelection to get everyone's hopes up and then Texas goes red again after all.
It is a weird thing. Ted does try hard to be obsequious. He was one of the leads in the Congress delay on January 6. I think he would be more MAGA if Trump would shine more light on him, but he does stuff to go find more light elsewhere. I think he's just a political machine focused on winning his elections.
 

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Trump probably still holds a grudge since the time Ted declined to endorse him at the 2016 convention. It is remarkable how irrelevant Ted has been in both Trump terms so far.
 

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A friend posted a clip on Facebook and then I saw another as a reel and now I'm watching the whole interview. It is...so bizarre and I don't understand it yet. But Tucker Carlson is tearing a high ranking Republican Senator down...

It's actually really simple.

You're watching an Israel shill get torn apart by a Putin puppet. Iran is one of Russia's strategic partners, so of course Putin doesn't want regime change there.

Carlson isn't defending Iran out of principle, he's just siding with Russia by default.
 

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It's actually really simple.

You're watching an Israel shill get torn apart by a Putin puppet. Iran is one of Russia's strategic partners, so of course Putin doesn't want regime change there.

Carlson isn't defending Iran out of principle, he's just siding with Russia by default.
You definitely get a bunch of that toward the end.

I don't know much detail about the lead up on Ukraine really, but it is interesting the story Ted Cruz tells. He blames Biden for the invasion and then goes to explain HOW it was Biden's fault and it makes me dizzy. He says critical pipelines go through Ukraine and Russia needs control of them and Putin had built Nortstream 2 to go to Germany and Ted Cruz showed personal heroism in getting that stopped in 2019 with a sanctions bill that Trump signed and construction stopped. But then Joe Biden became President and they resumed construction and Joe Biden did nothing and eventually rolled back the sanction and Ted Cruz showed personal heroism again in pushing through a sanction that stopped it and then the invasion started a few weeks later. Doesn't the story as he tells it SOUND like Ted Cruz is the American most responsible for the invasion? Did Russia invade Ukraine because Ted Cruz blocked their attempt to take care of their interests a different way and now their interests require control of Ukrainian pipelines?

I do know some other issues about why Russia invaded. I don't think Ted Cruz' story is the whole picture, but I just marvel at how the way he tells it seems to implicate himself.

Edit - I watched Tucker's initial show on MSNBC like 20 years ago when I used to just run MSNBC all evening while I did whatever I was doing. I found him kind of fun to watch and actually thought he was pretty centrist, but maybe I just didn't watch carefully enough. I haven't watched him more than a soundbyte in a long time, but I find again despite really not liking the guy now, I do see how he'd be fun to watch again if I didn't disagree so much with his actual beliefs. When Ted Cruz brings up Tucker's Russia grocery store video and confronts him about it, Tucker goes to defend himself and Ted Cruz does this weird thing backing up and saying he isn't attacking him for it, he just doesn't understand it and Tucker nonchalantly says "Right. Like when you called me an anti-Semite. You didn't attack me, you were just noticing." Like a minute later Tucker says he thinks one of the worst things that has happened in the Ukraine war is devaluing of the dollar and Cruz says "That's a good point" and Tucker just says "I'm aware. I'm aware". His ability to stay in control of a conversation is fun to watch. I have no sense that Tucker was more right than Cruz in the interview (which is a funny thing on its own because interviewers are not usually right or wrong), on balance, but in totality it looks like he just destroyed Cruz. Cruz got so exasperated and flustered and Tucker, aside from when he laughs at Cruz, keeps his cool and continuously looks like the adult in the room trying to deal with a dope. If I am Cruz I never talk to this guy in front of a camera again. There is no minute in the 2 hours that Cruz want anyone to watch.
 
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Axaday

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I was also struck by how Cruz kept on saying "the narrative" when he was trying to explain how Ukraine was Biden's fault and Tucker kept interrupting. He would say we can go down rabbit trails later, but I just want to get the narrative laid out for you. I only ever hear "the narrative" in modern political talk to be the fake story that the other team is substituting for what really happened. I think this was my first time hearing someone call their own story the narrative.
 

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"They never stop thinking of ways to destroy our country. And neither do we." - George W. Bush
 

Rhinox

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punching yourself in the uterus to own the libs.

This is either the height of cultish behavior or the most egregious case of 'rules for thee, not for me' and I'm leaning towards the cult. This level of ignorance and rhetoric spewing is barbaric on the face of it. And watching this same person condemn other women suffering as she did, which I'm absolutely certain is coming, will continue to gall.
 

KidTDragon

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I'm gonna throw out another possibility: Upton Sinclair said "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." She might not believe what she says about abortion anymore (assuming that she did before this) but is continuing to toe the party line to avoid getting voted out of her cushy job.
 

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I'm not letting the doctors off the hook here either. They had every excuse to condemn her to die for the principles she supposedly espouses, and chose to save her instead. I honestly wish more people in the medical profession would make a pledge to act in accordance with their patients' stated beliefs instead of letting them get away with self-serving hypocrisy like this, especially when those beliefs regularly threaten the doctors' jobs and even lives.
 


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