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It could have been three hundred, three hundred thousand or three hundred million years and it wouldn't matter since it was just an excuse to get the Autobots and Decepticons out of the picture. Doubly so since there's time travel involved anyway.

The writers could have written it as the Autobots getting bought out by the Dinosaucers after ill-advised real estate investments and the Decepticons disbanding because of Megatron's new girlfriend insisting on performative evil schemes and Beast Wars would play out the same.
 
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unluckiness said:
It could have been three hundred, three hundred thousand or three hundred million years and it wouldn't matter since it was just an excuse to get the Autobots and Decepticons out of the picture. Doubly so since there's time travel involved anyway.

The writers could have written it as the Autobots getting bought out by the Dinosaucers after ill-advised real estate investments and the Decepticons disbanding because of Megatron's new girlfriend insisting on performative evil schemes and Beast Wars would play out the same.
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The Autobots and Decepticons didn't even factor into the world of the Beast Wars cartoon at all until the fans came up with the idea of the "Great War" mentioned in Episode 1 referring to the Autobot/Decepticon war of G1. As mentioned, Bob Forward originally just threw in those two words to say that something happened in the past to cause the Maximals and Predacons to be at odds with each other, and then the fans took that idea and applied it to the G1 war.

Those first two episodes of Beast Wars aired months before the rest of the series and featured no references to anything from G1 besides the very basic concepts of Cybertron and energon (the latter of which Beast Wars even changed to be drastically different from how it was portrayed in the G1 fiction).

Those first two episodes initially presented Beast Wars as a full hard reboot, but the fandom of the time didn't like that idea (among, well, other things), and sought to connect it to what had come before and what they were familiar with, instead of allowing Beast Wars to stand on its own and grow by its own merits, all because the fandom was starving for more G1 and didn't want something completely new and different.

Even when Armada first came out were there still some lingering attempts to connect it, too, back to G1, rather than just accepting the concept of it being a reboot. The same could have nearly been the case for Beast Wars if not for the G1-starved fandom. But of course, we did get BW Season 2 out of it, so some good (nay, downright excellence) did come out of it.

On another note, all this makes me realize we really need us a proper Beast Wars thread.
 
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I mean, mentioning a Great War in regards to Transformers, before any hard reboot or multiversal shenanigans had been established prior immediately made me think Beast Wars was connected to G1 in some way or another and I was a child when I watched both.
 
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Sabrblade said:
Those first two episodes initially presented Beast Wars as a full hard reboot, but the fandom of the time didn't like that idea (among, well, other things), and sought to connect it to what had come before and what they were familiar with, instead of allowing Beast Wars to stand on its own and grow by its own merits, all because the fandom was starving for more G1 and didn't want something completely new and different.

Even when Armada first came out were there still some lingering attempts to connect it, too, back to G1, rather than just accepting the concept of it being a reboot. The same could have nearly been the case for Beast Wars if not for the G1-starved fandom. But of course, we did get BW Season 2 out of it, so some good (nay, downright excellence) did come out of it.
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I was gonna say "At the time?" Becuase the fandom, still generally doesn't like it; its just gotten more accepted; and I think that's largely due to the multiversal BS the Funpub did which basically ties all series togeather, into basically being reflections of G1.
 
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Lobjob said:
I mean, mentioning a Great War in regards to Transformers, before any hard reboot or multiversal shenanigans had been established prior immediately made me think Beast Wars was connected to G1 in some way or another and I was a child when I watched both.
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Sure, but you watched both, so you had the prior context of G1 to be able to connect the "Great War" mention in BW Episode 1 to G1, like the rest of the established fandom at the time did. But in my case, I started with Beast Wars as a kid, and had zero prior familiarity with any of G1 or G2 at the time. And I wasn't alone in that case, as many of my peers who watched Beast Wars only ever knew of the Autobots and Decepticons from what the Beast Wars cartoon told us about them (and through Machine Wars, of course), having likewise had no prior experience or familiarity with the Transformers brand (we were of the generation whose earliest childhood powerhouse brands were Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Mighty Morphin Power Rangers). To us, the "Great War" mentioned in Beast Wars's first episode didn't initially have that specific G1-related meaning until further episodes of Beast Wars later told us that it did.
 
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They're not half the price, they're far cheaper than that. The cheapest one is 80 dollars. I compared then because they're similar toys. I usually try to compare various versions of the same character when possible. Perfectly logical.
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You missed the "half-the-size" part. I mean, you can compare anything to anything I suppose but is there much value in it? Would you compare Masterpiece Prime to Core Prime? SURPRISE- one is way cheaper than the other! 🤣

And so we're not carrying on the convo in two different threads...

So, if we can believe our imagine that there are an aesthetic, function and size-range of guardian robots (which is what I do for any troop builder bots, such as sweeps, armada Cyclonuses, sharkticons, etc), then a slightly smaller one is a perfectly acceptable and cheap substitute for the larger, overpriced one, right? I've already mentioned this in my previous post, btw.
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But then you're buying them for different reasons. If you want a smaller Guardian Robot, then naturally, you wouldn't buy the big one (and yes you'd expect to pay less for it). But if you want a BIG Guardian Robot, how will one half the size (regardless of price) do you any good? "Yay, I only spent $80 on the one I didn't want!"

As I'm typing I'm trying to think why I even care about this, but I realized your presentation of the information came across as... rude? I guess? It wasn't "Here's Takara's new Guardian Robot. And don't forget there are some cool smaller 3P version out there too!" It's, "Sucky Takara is trying to rob you with this hunk of junk, only an idiot would buy it instead of these!" Maybe that wasn't your intention, and sorry for reading it that way. But the basic critique still stands, you're comparing two things with only superficial similarities.
 
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CoffeeHorse said:
To be fair, design wise Newage's stuff is way more comparable to Masterpiece than to Core.
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Right? However, being cheap, I opted for Pangu's version. I'm going to keep my eye out for the American/Hasbro Legacy version but the Takara version is waaay too expensive to bother with.
 
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Sabrblade said:
I guess what all of this really boils down to is the original absurdity of the G1 comics and cartoon making the Autobots and Decepticons able to live for millions of years in the first place. The whole reason the Ark was stated to crash-land on Earth "four million years ago" was to allow the ship to crash at a point in history long enough before the northwestern United States had any people in it so that the ship would remain completely undisturbed by humanity until Mount St. Hilary erupted in 1984, woke up the Ark's computer, and reactivated the Autobots and Decepticons on board. That backstory didn't need a four-million-year-long time gap to make that happen. All that was needed was a gap of about 12,000 years since it was a little less than that prior to 1984 when any Native Americans in the northwestern U.S. first turned up in that part of the continent. Granted, 12,000 is still a pretty big number, but nowhere nearly as ungodly HUGE as 4 million. It's actually 333.33 times less that amount.
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I think that gets lost on the writers, it wasn't normal that the war lasted 4 million years it went that long because both leaders and their top guys all disappeared and were in stasis and Shockwave kept the status quo. But also the history scene in FFoD also says the words Eons and Centuries, that the Quintesson's made Cybertron eons ago and three times said the battles lasted centuries while stating that we've been following the Third Cybertronian War, which it all fits better as vague ancient past then G1 to BW time frame.
 
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LBD Nytetrayn said:
Done.
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Not exactly what I meant, but hey, you do you and go have fun with your new Armada thread.

I'll go do what I was gonna do and see and about getting us a main Beast Era thread.
 
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Sabrblade said:
Not exactly what I meant, but hey, you do you and go have fun with your new Armada thread.

I'll go do what I was gonna do and see and about getting us a main Beast Era thread.
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I mean, it was kind of meant for both...
 
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