Transformers Legacy toyline

[The Phazer]

The thirteen aren't really supposed to be gods. They're literally the first thirteen mortals. They might be venerated by Cybertronian society, but they were cog and steel robots, and their appearance in plastic feels perfectly fine.

(Even if you ignore that Megatronus, Alpha Trion, Vector Prime, Nexus Prime, Logos Prime (if he's someone else dressed up), Alchemist Prime (probably) and Thirteen (urgh) have all had toys already. And that's if we ignore the Prime Masters.)

 

[Shadewing]

At the very best, they're more or less Demi-gods; but I feel that they're closer to Saints in most forms of fiction. The way I see it is along the lines of Them being the 'first generation' have a stronger connection to Primus and stronger powers due to that. Each subsequent generation has less and less of that direct connection to Primus, with weaker to no powers, except in the 'outliers'. This leads to modern generations as seeing the first 13 as being more then just 'mere' mortals and in some cases worthy or worship or praise.

 

[unluckiness]

Maybe i just dislike the injection of divinity and mythology in a simple war between factions, pretty much GI Joe but robots. I guess they can’t do too much damage if the only fiction they’re likely to get is a blurb and some boxart lol

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

The Thirteen are, for the most part, plot devices more than characters. But given that we've gotten toys of other plot devices like Nightbird and Transmutate, that alone isn't disqualifying.

 

[Future_Erika]

I'm still catching up on fiction I skipped during my hiatus, but I definitely wouldn't mind Solus Prime actually being a character in something instead of just world's first murder victim (the Covenant of Primus dealt so much damage to my love of this franchise)

 

[Cybersnark]

My biggest problem with toys of the Thirteen is that they end up just looking like conventional Transformers (except for the movie version of The Fallen, but even then he blended in with other movie-style bots).

They're supposed to be millions of years old and built using technology unknown to modern Cybertron. Arguably, some of them even pre-date transforming. Be creative! Go full Super-Robot!

 

[Dekafox]

Primus Rocket Punch?

 

[Sabrblade]

I'd rather we get toys of the Covenant instead. They were cooler.

Even if it's only three of them redecoed from a reissue of BW Magnaboss, with the Prowl mold redecoed as Leonicus and the combined form being "Beast Wars Primus".

 

[G.B.Blackrock]

Maybe i just dislike the injection of divinity and mythology in a simple war between factions, pretty much GI Joe but robots.

Whatever might be said about the place of "divinity and mythology" in the Transformers franchise, I'm not sure I'm on board with calling it "a simple war between factions." Whatever else has been proven about the Transformers, they're not simple.

 

[Dake]

Whatever might be said about the place of "divinity and mythology" in the Transformers franchise, I'm not sure I'm on board with calling it "a simple war between factions." Whatever else has been proven about the Transformers, they're not simple.

Yeah - and "GI Joe but robots" isn't as convincing a concept as it once was. There's a reason they haven't been able to figure out how to do Joe in the modern era beyond capitalizing on nostalgia.

 

[ZacWilliam1]

I LOVE the inclusion of divinity and mythology in Transformers. But then I'm a huge Fantasy and Mythology fan in general so there ya go.

-ZacWilliam, I think the 13 would be fine fodder for figures but I agree they'd be better if given an approach that suitably sets them apart: oversized, sculpted like ancient machines, chromed, glow in the dark or light-up. Make 'em something special if your gonna do them.

 

[unluckiness]

Whatever might be said about the place of "divinity and mythology" in the Transformers franchise, I'm not sure I'm on board with calling it "a simple war between factions." Whatever else has been proven about the Transformers, they're not simple.

Good guys have red frowny face. Bad guys have pointy purple face. We get some exceptions here and there but that’s why they’re exceptions.

Yeah - and "GI Joe but robots" isn't as convincing a concept as it once was. There's a reason they haven't been able to figure out how to do Joe in the modern era beyond capitalizing on nostalgia.

GI Joe has dozens of problems but the good guys vs bad guys premise isn’t one of them.

 

[MrBlud]

I hate that it took Optimus Prime from an Abraham Lincoln, ie a regular person who navigated a war thrust upon them without losing sight of his soldiers or what’s really important because he’s “merely” a good person into a divinely inspired King Arthur who is only as good as he is because duh he’s a God.

 

[Sabrblade]

I hate that it took Optimus Prime from an Abraham Lincoln, ie a regular person who navigated a war thrust upon them without losing sight of his soldiers or what’s really important because he’s a “merely” a good person into a divinely inspired King Arthur who is only as good as he is because duh he’s a God.

That's only Aligned Optimus, though, not all the others.

 

[MrBlud]

That seems to be the on-going case in every canon they’ve done since Aligned.

 

[Sabrblade]

That seems to be the on-going case in every canon they’ve done since Aligned.

It still doesn't retroactively apply to every Optimus Prime from before Aligned.

 

[G.B.Blackrock]

Good guys have red frowny face. Bad guys have pointy purple face. We get some exceptions here and there but that’s why they’re exceptions.

GI Joe has dozens of problems but the good guys vs bad guys premise isn’t one of them.

Your ability to state the TF concept in simple terms isn't especially convincing that I should accept TFs as simple.

 

[Princess Viola]

I mean if you take this literal children's franchise more seriously than that, that's on you tbh.

 

[Sabrblade]

Well, MY good guys and bad guys have a green saber-tooth wolf face and a purple insect face, thank you very much!

 

[Shadewing]

I mean if you take this literal children's franchise more seriously than that, that's on you tbh.

Shall I point to all the literal children's franchises that are more serious then that? Or are you just being pedantic about this one series to prove some hypothetical non-existent point?