Transformers: Age of the Primes toyline discussion || update: stock renders of upcoming Alpha Trion, Micronus, Flatline, Fireflight, Skydive, ++
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I do sorta like the idea of all origins being equally valid and possible, without any one being known as the one true origin.
Problem with that is... well, then you can't actually use any of them in certain ways that verify/validate their existence.
Or at the very least, it becomes a lot trickier.
Problem with that is... well, then you can't actually use any of them in certain ways that verify/validate their existence.
Or at the very least, it becomes a lot trickier.
I just like having different origins you can pick and choose from. I like the idea of the thirteen, but more than that, I really like how their toys are coming out. The only one I've had any less than stellar reaction to is Solus. The toy is decent, but fiddly enough that it feels fragile to me. The rest are all bangers.
I also feel the contradictions can just be explained by different religious sects. Like, amongst people who worship Primus, some of them are believers in the Guiding Hand, while others believe in the 13, and still others just think Primus just created the cybertronians directly, no intermediaries or avatars.
Some believe that Primus created Cybertron, while others believe he became Cybertron.
Perhaps in ancient times, the 13 were each worshiped individually; like, say, Solus' followers didn't believe her to be a creation of Primus (or had even heard of Primus), they believed her to be the creator: period. The diety who, in their creation myth, ripped a massive hunk of molten metal out of a star with her bare hands and forged it into Cybertron.
Meanwhile there are those who believe cybertronians evolved from naturally occurring pullys, levers and gears, while still others believe the planet was created by mortal hands, though for what purpose eludes them. Perhaps intended as a slave race, or perhaps they arose from an abandoned factory world left to it's own devices for millions of years.
The important thing is, nobody who was around for Cybertron's origin is still around now, and they didn't leave any concrete details behind. All they have are contracting fables and faiths from all over cybertron. It's works very well as flavor, as well as paralleling our own search for answers.
Some believe that Primus created Cybertron, while others believe he became Cybertron.
Perhaps in ancient times, the 13 were each worshiped individually; like, say, Solus' followers didn't believe her to be a creation of Primus (or had even heard of Primus), they believed her to be the creator: period. The diety who, in their creation myth, ripped a massive hunk of molten metal out of a star with her bare hands and forged it into Cybertron.
Meanwhile there are those who believe cybertronians evolved from naturally occurring pullys, levers and gears, while still others believe the planet was created by mortal hands, though for what purpose eludes them. Perhaps intended as a slave race, or perhaps they arose from an abandoned factory world left to it's own devices for millions of years.
The important thing is, nobody who was around for Cybertron's origin is still around now, and they didn't leave any concrete details behind. All they have are contracting fables and faiths from all over cybertron. It's works very well as flavor, as well as paralleling our own search for answers.
Cause cybertronians didn't have enough to fight over: now they can enjoy the religious war patch.
Hell, alchemist made an entire career out of faking it.
Not every continuity even has "the thirteen" so I don't know why, if we're making a new continuity where all these various origins become creation stories and theories, you also wouldn't leave the 13 obscured in the mists of legends.
I love the idea of a nigh immortal Prime just saying 'hug this', opening a bar and just hangs out there rather than deal with all the BS.
It's so funny to me how we're all now like "There can be multiple different origin myths, not everything must be beholden to one true mythology" when a mass refusal to even entertain that idea was a big reason behind the early fandom's hatred of the Oracle and Cybertron's organic core in Beast Machines: "How DARE this show ignore Primus and/or Vector Sigma!!! They're the TRUE origin lore for Transformers!!! Stop childing my ruinhood, Bob Skir!!!"
My, how times change.
(Disclaimer: Skir didn't come up with those concepts. Those were first developed by Marv Wolfman)
My, how times change.
(Disclaimer: Skir didn't come up with those concepts. Those were first developed by Marv Wolfman)
It's very simple, on a planet naturally occurring springs and gears were gathered by Primus to make the Quintessons who created nanotech goo that gave rise to the 13 who told the Oracle to create Vector Sigma who gave life to nonliving machines who loved each other very much so they put a diamond under a cabbage leaf and a stork carried to to Wheeljack who built it into the laser core of a Dinobot who extracted Unicron's essence to create the Technobots.
Just basic technobiology.
...Ok, honestly, your parents really should have had this talk with you about this years ago, it's disgraceful that they're making you look it up on an internet board. Seriously...
Just basic technobiology.
...Ok, honestly, your parents really should have had this talk with you about this years ago, it's disgraceful that they're making you look it up on an internet board. Seriously...
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I'm surprised we haven't gotten a "They were created by time traveling humans from the future" origin yet. Unless it's in one of those continuities I missed.
Nothing ever even officially merged Vector Sigma and Primus until after Beast Machines linked the Oracle to Vector Sigma, though.It's so funny to me how we're all now like "There can be multiple different origin myths, not everything must be beholden to one true mythology" when a mass refusal to even entertain that idea was a big reason behind the early fandom's hatred of the Oracle and Cybertron's organic core in Beast Machines: "How DARE this show ignore Primus and/or Vector Sigma!!! They're the TRUE origin lore for Transformers!!! Stop childing my ruinhood, Bob Skir!!!"
My, how times change.
(Disclaimer: Skir didn't come up with those concepts. Those were first developed by Marv Wolfman)
But also, "religion" as "just stuff characters believe and it's not actually true" was another thing much of the fandom then couldn't grasp. Just some casual swearing by Primus was enough to make some fans assume Primus actually existed in BW continuity; the idea of him being believed in but not real (and therefore irrelevant to BW's place in continuity) didn't seem to occur to very many people.
What does that matter? People still hated that Beast Machines ignored Primus and changed Vector Sigma into something new and different from what it had been like before.
That's actually OUR continuity, where humans from 1985 created a civilization of robots fighting a civil war four million years ago.
Yeah, but I hate that one. Way too meta.
That's the most relatable version of a Prime at the moment.
Really, considering the voice actors cast in the show, my headcanon is they were swearing to the planet the New Adventures of He-Man was set on.