Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[Axaday]

He's been indicted: the only way he doesn't get questioned under oath now is if he runs away. It's already game over: we're just waiting for the cut scene to end.

No, you have the explicit right not to testify in your own criminal case.

This is a silly take. The Watergate case took three years to put together, and that was stealing cookies from Girl Scouts compared to the breadth of the former guy's criming.

Watergate wasn't about breaking into a hotel. It was ALSO a broad, multi-faceted conspiracy to stay in office. Not stealing cookies at all.

 

[Paladin]

As left and right fundraise after indictment, Trump campaign says it raises over $4M in 24 hours

Former President Donald Trump's 2024 presidential campaign raised over $4 million in the 24 hours since a New York grand jury voted to indict him.

www.freep.com

a grifter to the end.

 

[Axaday]

As left and right fundraise after indictment, Trump campaign says it raises over $4M in 24 hours

Former President Donald Trump's 2024 presidential campaign raised over $4 million in the 24 hours since a New York grand jury voted to indict him.

www.freep.com

a grifter to the end.

If he's gonna get clear of this and everything else coming this year, he's gonna need expensive lawyers. More expensive than Giuliani for sure.

 

[wonko the sane?]

And yet he'll hire the very finest... looking traffic lawyer in southern florida late night television.

 

[DefaultOption]

Trump Lowers the Mar-a-Lago Flag to Half-Staff Over the 'Death of America' After His Indictment and Americans Can't Stop Laughing

I’m sorry, but I can’t stop laughing. Donald Trump is such a drama queen…I can’t even take it. As basically everyone knows by now, Trump has finally been indicted for SOMETHING. It wasn’t the case we wanted him indicted for, at least not at first. The Stormy Daniels case is the weakest case and...

www.politicalflare.com

 

[Ironbite4]

Woooooooooooooooooooooooow.

Ironbite-just...wooooooooooooow.

 

[CoffeeHorse]

he's gonna need expensive lawyers.

They're only expensive if he pays them.

 

[abates]

Turns out Trump was actively hiding documents in Mar-A-Lago, personally moving them after getting the subpoena:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1642654778965499908

 

[Steevy Maximus]

MMMMmmm
That's the good jive right there.

 

[Plutoniumboss]

He ought to be able to pay for a lawyer smart enough to keep him off the stand. But maybe he’ll insist. That would be good for a laugh. He doesn’t even know what the truth is.

If he listened to the few smart lawyers he had, he wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. And the dumb ones are going on the stand, attorney-client privilege doesn't work when the attorney and client are complicit in the crime.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

MSN

I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I'd love to see someone tell him to shut up for once and actually have it enforced by tossing him in jail for contempt, but on the other, he's sure to incriminate himself more and more if allowed to ramble.

 

[wonko the sane?]

oooohhhh, 30 days in jail (which he will never get.) and 1K fine.

"Punishable by fine" means "legal with fee". Charge him 1% gross based on his taxes for every infraction and watch how fast he actually shuts up, because trump is STILL fund raising faster than he can talk about it and some shmuck in florida or georgia will be paying his one time fine.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

At this point, just shutting him up for a month would be worth it to me. The American legal system is a bad joke anyway, so I'll take what I can get.

 

[Axaday]

I hope and expect to never be indicted for any crime. But if I do, I'm definitely switched lawyers the night before arraignment. I think something like that should always be done with fresh eyes.

 

[Ungnome]

State charges, currently. There's actually no law on the books keeping someone convicted of a federal crime from running for president, to the best of my knowledge (not a lawyer). Conviction via an impeachment trial is the only way.

 

[Axaday]

But he wouldn't be able to vote for himself.

 

[Pocket]

It would also be rather difficult to run the country from inside a jail cell, though. Or even a campaign. He wouldn't be allowed to show up for debates, tour the country giving speeches... things we just take for granted that candidates are able to do.

Frankly it'd be better if he did run, and spare us the possibility that some other Republican could win.

 

[Axaday]

It would also be rather difficult to run the country from inside a jail cell, though. Or even a campaign. He wouldn't be allowed to show up for debates, tour the country giving speeches... things we just take for granted that candidates are able to do.

Frankly it'd be better if he did run, and spare us the possibility that some other Republican could win.

There are a lot more shoes to drop, so it is hard to gauge the timeline yet, but I think Trump isn't going to be the last or second to last in the running for 2024 nomination. If I were DeSantis I would clean up my act and apologize to a lot of people wait for 2028 and an open field, but I don't think he has the patience for it if he just thinks he can get past Trump. And unfortunately, Trump has shown him what can be done and he has learned it, while being several degrees more careful and strategic a man. I'm not sure if he is smart, but his ugliness is measured and targeted, not just the raw, uncontrollable buffoonery of Trump. He could win and could do a lot more damage than Trump because he actually knows what he is doing or listens to people who do.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

The main difference is that Trump is a narcissistic showman, whose only real goal is to stay in the spotlight and keep the grift machine going. He's after attention first and foremost. DeSantis actually has goals, even if they're horrifying to anyone with a working sense of decency and morality.

 

[Anonymous X]

Would be ‘funny’ if Trump ran third-party and split the right-wing vote.

Which honestly, is why I think Trump’s going to be GOP candidate…