Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Dekafox

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Dow's already down 1600 points. Can't wait for it to hit close.

Ironbite-HOW LOW CAN IT GO! HOW LOW CAN IT GO!
This has insufficient Sickos, so I feel obligated to apply my own.

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Also in answer to that, this is the biggest drop since June 2020 in the COVID lockdown days: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/trump-tariffs-stock-market
 
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Axaday

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I verified all the numbers here https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/ and then made this worksheet for my 9-year-old. She got Japan wrong because my 4 looked like a 9. She is slightly off from Trump's poster because she ignored the numbers after the decimal point, which I freely forgive as a mathematician, because I know that there were zero significant figures on the entire sheet. She is ready for a job in Trump's Office of the US Trade Representatives, who supposedly did all of the analysis to determine what reciprocal tariff would be necessary to balance these nations, factoring in all the various variables and unfair trade practices, currency manipulation and so on. It took my daughter 4 1/2 minutes.
 

Rhinox

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Laura Loomer is absolutely in bed with Trump. And I mean that in the most disgusting way. She is a huge liability issue and the fact that she can push her views vicariously through Trump is a massive problem.
 

Dekafox

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In case you were wondering how the market news folks are handling this:

keep Bloomberg TV on in my office all day. It's good background noise, good if I need a quick distraction, and good at cutting to breaking news if, you know, Chinese tanks are rolling down 45th in Manhattan.

As such, I have gotten to know the personalities on here. I know their political leanings, I know their journalistic bugaboos, all that.

It is like an episode of Fallout in the studio there. These people are BURNT. Toasty. Unable to make a cogent sentence. Many of them have been in business journalism for decades, and it is slowly sinking in that it will be on them to report the Second Great Depression.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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Her eyes already do. Hollow, crazed, fanatical. I mean, the sheer volume of surgery and makeup already triggers my uncanny valley response, but those eyes look like she wants to jump through the screen and eat my heart while screaming about how vaccines are the devil's urine.
 

Dekafox

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Some of the international reactions to the tariffs:
Reactions & Backlash to US Tariffs Continue

Nations, firms, and markets are continuing to react to the United States’ new tariffs Friday.

The following announcements and moves have been made in the last 24 hours:

JP Morgan has raised its odds of a global recession to 60% by the end of the year, up from a previous estimate of 40%.

Most markets across the globe dropped dramatically Thursday and continued to fall Friday.

US stocks fell dramatically Thursday, marking one of the largest single-day declines in history for the S&P 500. Stocks also started the day Friday deep in the red.

Ratings firm S&P Global announced it will review all its macro economic forecasts and will publish revised data next week as a result of tariffs and severe market declines.

China announced additional tariffs of 34% on US goods, while accusing the US of “bullying” behavior. It also added 11 firms to its “unreliable entities” list, which allows the country to impose additional restrictions on them.

A statement by China’s Commerce Ministry said "China firmly opposes this and will take countermeasures to safeguard its own rights and interests. There are no winners in trade wars, and there is no way out for protectionism. China urges the U.S. to immediately lift unilateral tariffs and properly resolve differences with its trading partners through dialogue on an equal footing."

China placed additional export restrictions on rare earth elements as part of its response.

Japan’s Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba said the new tariffs would create a “national crisis” for the country, as Japan’s stock market plunged.

"We are going to fight these tariffs with countermeasures, we are going to protect our workers, and we are going to build the strongest economy in the G7,” Canada’s Prime Minster Mark Carney declared.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the tariffs would be a “major blow to the world economy” but did not announce countermeasures.

France’s President Emmanual Macron called on companies to halt investment in the US.

Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni told state TV that she hoped to work for the removal of tariffs, and did not expect to respond in kind.

The UK’s Prime Minister Kier Starmer told business leaders in London that he hoped to work with the US to lessen or remove tariffs. The UK will respond with “cool and calm heads,” he said. "Nobody wins in a trade war," he added.

Taiwan’s government announced $2.67 billion in aid to companies affected by the new tariffs. US tariffs on Taiwan do not include semiconductors.

US Senator Chuck Grassley introduced a bill that would require Congressional approval of new tariffs.

Olu Sonola, the head of US economic research at Fitch Ratings, wrote in a note "this is a game changer, not only for the US economy but for the global economy. Many countries will likely end up in a recession.”

The World Trade Organization said that the tariffs would likely cause a drop of about 1% in global trade volumes this year. “I’m deeply concerned about this decline and the potential for escalation into a tariff war with a cycle of retaliatory measures that lead to further declines in trade,” said WTO Director-General Ngozi Iweala-Okonjo.
 

Pocket

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Imagine sending this post back in time without context just to see what people guess it's in response to. They'd probably assume the government had been overthrown by communists somehow.
 

Dekafox

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Interesting bits of background in this. Namely, that Trump declared a national economic emergency because we have trade deficits, and that's the grounding for all these tariffs. Kick that out from under him(which looks like it'll be harder than it sounds) and all these tariffs he's tried to do this year go away.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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So the solution requires republicans to go against donald trump?

That's game folks, it was a nice world while we had it.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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That's the harder than it sounds part... but it's not an impossibility, given we already had a few break ranks on the Canada tariffs. Just not an easy or likely one. There's also the court approach too mentioned in the article, which currently is being headed by a Libertarian of all things, actually living up to what they say instead of being a Republican in a different color coat.
 


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