Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Ironbite4

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They had to do some shenanigans in order to pass this.

Ironbite-good luck to all those purple GOPers in mid-terms.
 

Axaday

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Pocket

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So, we're asking them to turn themselves in so they can be locked up, with the threat of being caught and locked up if they don't.

This man really just has no clue how to accomplish things, does he?
 

Axaday

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So, we're asking them to turn themselves in so they can be locked up, with the threat of being caught and locked up if they don't.

This man really just has no clue how to accomplish things, does he?
But they HAVE to. It's the LAW.
 

Rhinox

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This is actually a really evil/smart play. It's like the Kansas drug tax.
If you actually register (or pay the tax) they now know to keep an eye on you. You're on a list. If you don't and you're picked up for literally whatever reason, then you're a criminal.
This negates the whole 'being here illegally isn't a crime' dodge. It is something they can be charged with so they can now legally be held and dealt with through the criminal justice system.
 

Axaday

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Is that really needed? I understand the talking point, but being here illegally really is a crime, right?
 

Rhinox

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So they can't be detained and removed for it?
Depends on where they're at, but not typically. Those are ticketable offenses, not arrestable offenses.
This could be used as an arrestable offense.

Again, this is a maneuver designed to add one more thing that people can be charged with. If it was a monetary fine, I'd call it a money grab, but that's not what they're going for. This is going to be used to generate reasonable suspicion/PC so people of any ethnicity can be held while they're "checked out", searched, subject to the whole indignity of the initial contact with the criminal justice system and leave them with no recourse.

Right now if a cop sees a group of latino people standing alongside the road by a Home Depot, they can suspect a lot. They can approach and attempt a conversation, but they have no standing to demand papers or anything like that.
With something like this, that cop can demand IDs or hold people under that suspicion until they're checked out and even then they can be charged with interference or some other bullshit cops pull when they're trying to be dicks.
 

Pale Rider

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Axaday

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Depends on where they're at, but not typically. Those are ticketable offenses, not arrestable offenses.
This could be used as an arrestable offense.

Again, this is a maneuver designed to add one more thing that people can be charged with. If it was a monetary fine, I'd call it a money grab, but that's not what they're going for. This is going to be used to generate reasonable suspicion/PC so people of any ethnicity can be held while they're "checked out", searched, subject to the whole indignity of the initial contact with the criminal justice system and leave them with no recourse.

Right now if a cop sees a group of latino people standing alongside the road by a Home Depot, they can suspect a lot. They can approach and attempt a conversation, but they have no standing to demand papers or anything like that.
With something like this, that cop can demand IDs or hold people under that suspicion until they're checked out and even then they can be charged with interference or some other bullshit cops pull when they're trying to be dicks.

That's really stupid. I have always assumed that if they got caught they were going to get removed. In an ideal situation, I really think that SHOULD be how it works. I mean, I'm not backing Trump's crackdown because it is a political stunt built on the back of racial scapegoating. I think the whole thing needs to be rebuilt from the ground up and the people who are already here brought in out of the cold as one of the steps. But if we had a system where we actually paid attention to how many immigrants we ought to be letting in and a straightforward system that also took refugees into account, THEN I would say anyone found in violation ought to be removed. Why even say "they aren't allowed to just do this" if there isn't a mechanism to do anything about it?

I guess is it because every political leader until Trump understood that it was a system that worked really well, but it only works if it is illegal, so you can talk and talk but you need to not break it?
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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People have been calling for the US's immigration system to be rebuilt since reagan at least. But the citizens united ruling turned money into voice; and multibillion dollar, multinational corporations have enough voice to say "we want illegals as a cheap, endless, source of disposable labour" and then PUNISH the illegals when they ultimately get caught instead of going after the social, cultural and economic conditions that lead to the exploitation.

A system the US's economy now entirely relies on.

But hey: people who aren't really considered people in the US are the ones who suffer from it, so no ones about to change it NOW, especially with the guy who literally abuses illegal labour in his properties across the entire country.

They tried to pass a reform bill in the during the dying days of american democracy, a couple of months ago, but of course: republicans refused to cooperate cause trump wanted to campaign on punishing illegals instead of actually doing something about it.
 

Rhinox

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It is telling that corporations are afforded more human rights in america than immigrants and refugees
 


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