William henry harrison did nothing wrong.
Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread
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The question is less "don't charge Trump, or you have to try everyone else, too" (my former comment notwithstanding) and more "is the crime you're talking about really WORTH all that fuss?" Mere possession of documents has been (historically) deemed not to be "worth all that fuss," whereas Trump's efforts to HIDE documents, to LIE ABOUT having them, and to actively OBSTRUCT the retrieval of them, put him in a category we've hardly ever seen a president nor former president accused of.
The only time I can think of which comes close, the then-active President resigned rather than face impeachment, and was then actively pardoned, making further inquiry into the matter... if not actually impossible... very much "not worth all the fuss" given the lack of ability to properly do anything (else) about it.
Scope and scale my friend. He lied and refused to cooperate when repeatedly asked to return those documents. He made his lawyer sign an official attestation stating that everything was returned when that was also a lie. He STILL claims they were his documents, and given his previous actions: he was likely to sell them off to his own personal benefit. Secret information whose goal was to keep americans safe, and he likely was going to sell it to the enemy to either impress foreign despots or simply make money.
Other presidents, when caught with missing files cooperated completely, handed everything over without fuss, and encouraged further searches to ensure they were compliant. Trump literally played "keep away" by moving boxes of top secret information while his lawyer was supposed to be finding, and cataloguing for return. Hid them in a secret room, lied about the security conditions of his home while agents of foreign powers literally wandered around the property. Then tried desperately to cover up the whole thing, bribing people, threatening them, and destroying evidence.
There is no comparison here. What trump did was criminal if not in action (and by the end it was.) then in intent.
But yeah, if you want to hold american presidents to a significantly higher standard of morals and ethics under law: don't threaten me with a good time.
Other presidents, when caught with missing files cooperated completely, handed everything over without fuss, and encouraged further searches to ensure they were compliant. Trump literally played "keep away" by moving boxes of top secret information while his lawyer was supposed to be finding, and cataloguing for return. Hid them in a secret room, lied about the security conditions of his home while agents of foreign powers literally wandered around the property. Then tried desperately to cover up the whole thing, bribing people, threatening them, and destroying evidence.
There is no comparison here. What trump did was criminal if not in action (and by the end it was.) then in intent.
But yeah, if you want to hold american presidents to a significantly higher standard of morals and ethics under law: don't threaten me with a good time.
I think you're emphasizing a distinction that no one has actually disputed. No one said said he should have been arrested for "mere possession".
"When they actually found and removed all those top secret documents" was after the attempts to obstruct.
Donald 'Von ShitzInPantz' has now formally been entered into the public record at Trump's hush-money trial
At his hush-money trial on Thursday, Trump had to sit silently at the defense table as his lawyer read aloud from Michael Cohen's greatest Twitter hits.
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The News Media trying to do Von ShitzinPantz straight is HILARIOUS
Trump’s legal team faces scrutiny after court transcript features viral insult. Stay informed on unfolding reactions and commentary.
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I hope we can all be mature about this and only talk about Trump being called "Von Shitzinpantz" in the context of the court transcripts, and resist the urge to call him "Von Shitzinpantz" on Facebook, or call him "Von Shitzinpantz" on Twitter, or call him "Von Shitzinpantz" in TikTok videos, or call him "Von Shitzinpantz" on this forum, or call him "Von Shitzinpantz" in real life. And we definitely should not stand outside of whichever courthouse he's in that day and shout "How's the trial going, Von Shitzinpantz?" as he walks out, especially not in unison as a large group to ensure that he hears it. Because if we start sinking to this childish level of name-calling, then we're no better than Von Shitzinpantz.... I mean Trump.
Hey ferb! I know what we're going to do today!
Now we just need to get Dozy von Fartsalot in the public record.
It's less that he disputed the point, but I felt that Wonko's assertion in post #2,222 was too generic about the crime for which he was advocating Trump's imprisonment, and I think that being too generic on this point is actively dangerous. Let's not give our opponents fuel to accuse of advocating for punishment for one side only, and not for our own. There's far too much of that around as it is.
Keeping top secret documents anywhere other than an authorized location (of which trumps shitter is not.) is hardly a generic assertion of criminality. More to the point: this is a major event in US culture and history, and we're all in here talking about it because we're each of us aware of most of the details thus far.
MORE more to the point: I am neither a litigator, adjudicator, nor reporter or influencer: me stating something generically has exactly zero importance to the world at large. Maybe stop focusing on pointless minutiae and advocate for the system to stop white gloving trump. Because, as I already stated: Stealing and hoarding top secret documents would have landed literally anyone else in jail within days of the crime.
If biden had done the same thing? If Obama, or ******* jesus had done the same thing? Yeah, enjoy the swimming lessons, I hear Guantanamo bay is lovely this time of year.
MORE more to the point: I am neither a litigator, adjudicator, nor reporter or influencer: me stating something generically has exactly zero importance to the world at large. Maybe stop focusing on pointless minutiae and advocate for the system to stop white gloving trump. Because, as I already stated: Stealing and hoarding top secret documents would have landed literally anyone else in jail within days of the crime.
If biden had done the same thing? If Obama, or ******* jesus had done the same thing? Yeah, enjoy the swimming lessons, I hear Guantanamo bay is lovely this time of year.
Oh hey, another finding of contempt of court, another thousand dollar fine. And once again: the threat of jail time if he does it just one. more. time.
Shall we hold our breath?
Shall we hold our breath?
I love that one of the reporters who were shouting questions to Trump as he left the courtroom today tried to goad him into violating the gag order again.
I mean: I love that their testing his will. But it's kinda pointless: He's going to slander someone. It's literally inevitable, it's all he has and is completely hobbled by compulsive narcissism and a big ******* mouth.
It's not like he's faced any real consequences for it. A thousand dollar fine probably doesn't even scratch what he pulls in from his regular grifting off his cult.
Apparently the NEXT ONE ends in jail time.
Or, it's supposed to. I doubt it will, but hey, they can really bump up the volume of the cash fine.
I doubt they'll do that either.
Or, it's supposed to. I doubt it will, but hey, they can really bump up the volume of the cash fine.
I doubt they'll do that either.
The judge is limited on New York statutes for that crime. His only options are a $1000 fine OR "up to" 30 days in jail per offense.
And it has already been addressed the logistical and political issues surrounding sending Donald Trump to jail...but it feels like Trump is just going to keep pushing until the judge is left with no option since, for someone of Trump's wealth, the fines ain't doin' jive.
(Also already discussed: the fact that Trump would absolutely LOVE to be able to complain about how the biased judge threw him into prison thanks to the left-wing witchhunt. With choice words in all caps.)
Some of the material I've seen (through the meidas touch network. Always state your sources.) seem to state that it could 1000 bucks a pop, or 150K a pop if the lesser fee doesn't dissuade, OR up to 30 days in jail per offence.
Logistics aside: are you honestly telling me that with all the police, security and intelligence agencies in operation in the US; there isn't ONE jail cell considered "secure" enough that the secret service could access and control? That the local FBI office doesn't have a lock up they could offer, or a safe house ready to be burned they could offer for house arrest?
No, citing logistics is a cheap excuse to not lock up the "rich" white man with a suicide cult.
Edit: missed a zero.