The US Supreme Court and its decisions

Pocket

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More likely he'll just ignore them and continue to charge the tariffs on the grounds that nobody can actually stop him from doing whatever the hell he wants.
 

wonko the sane?

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Not that he can't be stopped: but that the people currently charged with stopping him are completely complicit. That is an important difference.

Because NOW three important things happen. 1.) the tariffs (and as it will be sold to the public, the high prices for goods.) will have to end. 2.) trump will have to pay back the tariffs which means they 3.) have to disclose how much they actually made off those tariffs and who paid them.

And when it comes out, from the white house, that like 92% of those tariffs were paid for by the american public: they will be rightfully even more pissed. Followed by trump refusing to stop? This is a mind changing moment for cultists and legislators.
 

wonko the sane?

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My dude: the supreme court (whom has supported trump so far and is friendly to maga.) just told trump to pay people, and trump will refuse. When trumps cult is once again denied a payment from great leader: they will not be happy.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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. 1.) the tariffs (and as it will be sold to the public, the high prices for goods.) will have to end.
The tariffs might end (we all know Trump will fight tooth and nail against it, just because it's not what he decreed), but getting corporations to actually drop their prices is another matter. Yeah, they used tariffs as an excuse, but they'll just see an opportunity to keep prices high and rake in more cash. Even if they do drop a little, I'd be very shocked to see them go anywhere close to pre-tariff levels
 

KidTDragon

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My dude: the supreme court (whom has supported trump so far and is friendly to maga.) just told trump to pay people, and trump will refuse. When trumps cult is once again denied a payment from great leader: they will not be happy.
I want you to be right, but we don't call MAGA a cult just to be cute.
 

Pocket

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3.) have to disclose how much they actually made off those tariffs and who paid them.
Which I'm pretty sure is the companies that imported the products, regardless of whether they passed the cost along to the customer in the form of higher prices. This isn't like sales tax where they print it right on the receipt and the customer is legally defined as the one who paid it. There might be an exception in cases where you're buying from AliExpress and having it imported directly from China with no middlemen, but in those situations the tariff would have already been itemized as an import duty, so there's nothing to disclose that customers didn't already know.
 

wonko the sane?

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True: but hearing the single aggregate and the total percentage paid by americans will have to be disclosed. So the regime will have to open admit they lied.
 

Pocket

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No, they won't. They'll just lie again and say they didn't. Also where are you getting that they have to do this, or anything else in particular? I didn't see that in the article.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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Which I'm pretty sure is the companies that imported the products, regardless of whether they passed the cost along to the customer in the form of higher prices. This isn't like sales tax where they print it right on the receipt and the customer is legally defined as the one who paid it. There might be an exception in cases where you're buying from AliExpress and having it imported directly from China with no middlemen, but in those situations the tariff would have already been itemized as an import duty, so there's nothing to disclose that customers didn't already know.
At my job, we have to pay the tariffs on the metals we import. Then we add that to the customer's invoice when we ship them the finished parts, of course (which pisses them off because it's raising their prices, but hey, welcome to the jive show), but we're still the ones paying it first.
 

wonko the sane?

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No, they won't. They'll just lie again and say they didn't. Also where are you getting that they have to do this, or anything else in particular? I didn't see that in the article.
They're going to have to do it because that's literally the order from the supreme court. And it'll be the order again when they lose the subsequent fight to not have to do it. And in the process they'll broadcast the outcome to the public.

They'll be forced to pay back the tariffs, and the first questions they'll be asked is "how much and to who", which will be followed up with "where is this money coming from" cause trump will cut what little social services that are left to cover it. Since the little actual tariff income has already been given to the billionaires, and they aren't giving it back. And of course: they're going lie about all of it, but that's all they've ever done. And the truth of it will come parallel as always.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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You're assuming Trump and his cronies will actually obey the courts. We all know he won't. He'll fight it as far as he can, bury it in litigation, and throw more distractions and catastrophes out until there's a new scandal drawing everyone's attention. After all, who's gonna enforce anything on him?
 

Ungnome

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The courts need to start deputizing people and arresting anyone who violates these court orders for contempt. The US Marshals are no longer to be trusted to do their jobs and the courts do have the right to do so, they just never really act on said rights.
 

wonko the sane?

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I mean, yeah he will, you are right.

But the entire time: he's going to be looking like he's withholding yet another cheque from the public. That's not going to work for him in any way. And we already know how this works out: trump fights something publicly and when he loses, he quietly undoes it: but he can't do this quietly. This is literally his core economic and foreign policy.
 

Axaday

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Not that he can't be stopped: but that the people currently charged with stopping him are completely complicit. That is an important difference.

Because NOW three important things happen. 1.) the tariffs (and as it will be sold to the public, the high prices for goods.) will have to end. 2.) trump will have to pay back the tariffs which means they 3.) have to disclose how much they actually made off those tariffs and who paid them.

And when it comes out, from the white house, that like 92% of those tariffs were paid for by the american public: they will be rightfully even more pissed. Followed by trump refusing to stop? This is a mind changing moment for cultists and legislators.

My dude: the supreme court (whom has supported trump so far and is friendly to maga.) just told trump to pay people, and trump will refuse. When trumps cult is once again denied a payment from great leader: they will not be happy.

They're going to have to do it because that's literally the order from the supreme court. And it'll be the order again when they lose the subsequent fight to not have to do it. And in the process they'll broadcast the outcome to the public.

They'll be forced to pay back the tariffs, and the first questions they'll be asked is "how much and to who", which will be followed up with "where is this money coming from" cause trump will cut what little social services that are left to cover it. Since the little actual tariff income has already been given to the billionaires, and they aren't giving it back. And of course: they're going lie about all of it, but that's all they've ever done. And the truth of it will come parallel as always.
The court did not order him to pay anything back. One minority opinion seems to imply that it is likely to happen. Companies are already lining up their lawsuits to reclaim the tariff money and it will be interesting to see what happens. They will establish a lot of numbers saying who turned over what, but it won't make a slam-dunk*. In my ideal world, they will at least look at the filings of the companies and see if their profits took a dip. They shouldn't issue any money back to companies who didn't take a dip, because it would indicate that they successfully passed the tariff on to the consumers. Perhaps one of these will get to the Supreme Court and they will decide that it has to be divided up to the population.

*Trump is always vague, probably because his understanding of the topic is so vague, but his apologists argue that foreigners pay the tariffs in the form of discounts to keep the trade going. It's very difficult to track and probably won't be publicly established. It certainly happens, in a non-Zero way. I don't know how the experts make their estimates, but this is why they always say Americans pay MOST of the tariffs.
 
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