The Aligned Binder of Revelation has been REVEALED

LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
I do not care for Sentinel to always be the jerk. Give his role to someone else.
I see you too are a man of culture.

I don't mind Jerk Sentinel if he's done well. DotM and TFO gave us two distinct flavours of good "jerk Sentinel." The first by making him a tragic figure, the second by making him so irredeemable with a great performance he loops around to being fun to watch.

But broadly? I like my Sentinels (and I do like them) as a gruff guy who clashes with Optimus but wants to do the right thing. He's just not equipped to be that guy.
IDW2 Sentinel nails that. Optimus' eulogy of him hits what I think is the ideal of the character.

"We should mourn Sentinel Prime. He was flawed, as we all are. Perhaps he failed. But he faced a choice, when the Matrix came to him. And in that moment, he chose to try."

Man, IDW2 got ignored hard but it offers more worth keeping than IDW1 imo.
 

Sabrblade

Continuity Nutcase
Citizen
Animated Sentinel was entertaining, but he only happened because Hasbro didn't want his character given to Rodimus. Which, now that I think about it, feels kind of like we dodged another "anti-Rodimus" bullet, as in Animated was originally going to add to the Rodimus hate train before Hasbro stepped in and made Optimus's jerk rival be Sentinel instead. Which, if that's the case, then phew!
 

LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
Here's a thought. How might YOU (anyone) go about putting together a Binder of Revelation that aligns the various brand directions over the years and folds non-G1 character and narrative elements into a G1 core? (Let's say that direction is what the brand/company wants, rather than something all-new or something built around Botbots) Who would be on, say, your five-person (you not included) for doing that?

Beast Era- keep sparks, the afterlife, protoforms.

RiD- Optimus and Ultra Magnus being bros, I'd toss in Delta Magnus too.

UT- Minicons, Unicron as this Lovecraftian creature feeding on hatred and fear.

Movies- Sentinel as a guy who will do whatever it takes to save Cybertron, creates conflict with Optimus. Bumblebee and Spike/Sam's friendship.

Animated- Lockdown, Lugnut, Old Man Ratchet. "Decepticons, transform and rise up!"

Aligned/IDW/all the rest-
Megatron as a power hungry bully, but he's smart enough to know "just let me be in charge" isn't a selling point in and of itself. Rallies everyone to his side with enough vague ideology to justify violence. Keep the "political allegory" people like to go with, for Megs these days but flip it from "underclass revolutionary" to "fascist opportunist" to sidestep the morally grey sludge that could drag down IDW's narrative.
That's even if you wanted to get that deep. Just making Megatron a tyrant who goes on about might making right and survival of the fittest as he's being a baddie can work in that dynamic if you want to dial back the heavy political stuff.

One more idea... a deep Sunbow pull. How about we go back to the Autobots and Decepticons being separate societies/social groups instead of political factions? It's a dynamic that's fallen by the wayside as political allegory got popular but hear me out.

Thirteen Primes, doing demigod societal founder stuff. The Fallen goes rogue. The followers of the remaining Twelve form the Autobots, inherit the Matrix from Prima.
The followers of the Fallen become the Decepticons led by various warlords.

The two sides live side by side in tense peace but conflict flares up now and then. But then Megatron shows up, assassinates his rival leaders amongst the various Decepticon factions, unifies them, and starts the Great War.

Animated Sentinel was entertaining, but he only happened because Hasbro didn't want his character given to Rodimus. Which, now that I think about it, feels kind of like we dodged another "anti-Rodimus" bullet, as in Animated was originally going to add to the Rodimus hate train before Hasbro stepped in and made Optimus's jerk rival be Sentinel instead. Which, if that's the case, then phew!
Animated Sentinel is fun, but part of what makes him fun is that he's not overtly villainous. He's an Autobot through and through. He's just a massive jerk.

Though I'll maintain that had that been Rodimus (assuming it's a character name and model change and nothing else) I think it would have been well received. That character, as I said, is fun! And I don't think Jerk Rodimus would have been rejected if he'd been fun.

My evidence is how popular Roberts' MtMtE/Lost Light run is. Rodimus is a buffon in that.
He gets played into changing his name to "Rodimus" by Swindle who's clearly using him.
He has an over-inflated sense of his own importance, thinking he's on some crusade to return his people to glory, when his own crew jokes about how little progress they've made towards their stated goal of finding the Knights.
Selfishly gets Chromedome to engage in addictive and self-destructive behaviour to further his own goals. Gets punched out by Chromedome's husband for this (who is half his size).
Flies around in a personal ship that looks like his own head yelling "'TIL ALL ARE ONE!"

IDW1 Rodimus is a total dweeb! He's popular though because Roberts made him a fun dweeb.

The issue with the Deviations comic wasn't that they did a comic where Hot Rod was lame. IDW was already doing that to critical acclaim. Deviations sucked because it was just so mean spirited. Hot Rod is told he sucks at every opportunity and Eastman has all the storytelling chops of a hyperactive seven year old recounting an episode of Power Rangers after snorting pixie sticks.

But Roberts proved "Hot Rod is a jerk/kinda sucks" can be fun and accepted if he's written well. Animated Sentinel certainly was written well... so had that been Rodimus? I think it would have gone over just fine.
 

lastmaximal

Administrator
Staff member
Council of Elders
Citizen
I might enjoy at least one series where Hot Rod/Rodimus is a jerk and/or jock, just to have him have some prominence and a bit of the upper hand. But I would hope that doesn't become his new default character niche, because I really prefer the idea of him basically being Nightwing -- elder aged-out kid appeal character -- to Bumblebee's Robin/Tim Drake. (I caught the bits of Cyberverse that had him and Bee and Cheetor hanging out, but not much was really done with that element because there were a lot of things going on.) An aspirational figure for Bumblebee (without, then later with, Hot Rod really knowing or realizing), but himself having gotten a taste of real-world expectations, and masking an uncertainty about whether he's bot enough for it. I far prefer that. (One fringe reason I rather like RID2015 is that Bumblebee's arc and vibe there is kind of a good template for a Hot Rod. Hell, even Will Friedle is perfect for him.)

But oh, how his design LENDS itself to being a jerk! Everything about him plays well with it.

I'm just still trying to redeem him in my head or at least avoid dropping him back into a no-win role in the franchise, although I guess for some fans nothing will ever undo the 1986 movie, so we might as well have some fun with it. (But still...)

I think a big part of why IDW Rodimus worked, once Roberts had gotten to him (he was, like most characters post-Furman, just aimless and following plot lines), was that he carried a balance of absurdity, charisma, and sincerity. I would've liked to see that last more, to be honest, because you kind of need something there to justify why everyone else would be going along with such a buffoon. And TBH the Overlord thing and the vote... I think that should have had bigger repercussions sooner (when we DID get it, the whole Lost Light/mutiny arc was a bit messy narratively). And part of those should have shown him kind of re-earning the right to co-captain, rather than just sulking while Optimus lectured him and okay the focus is Megatron now. Like, give us some Michael Scott flashes of being a weirdly hypercompetent salesman instead of just a weirdly offensive dork.

But there were some moments. I'll always have his little "thank you for traveling with me". I'll just pretend he was written more consistently in line with that prior to that.
 


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