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Ceir

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I'm finally going to watch the new Strange New Worlds eps with friends this Sunday. It would be five eps to group watch (plus the gorn part 1 ep of last season.). Can't wait.
SNW is not without its flaws, but it's certainly the most fun I've had with modern live-action Trek so far. The show clicked for me really quickly, and it's such a different tone from Disco or Picard; which of what I have seen , I haven't really enjoyed all that much.

Speaking of (re)watching, I'm pushing myself to up my treadmill/stationary bike time by running one-episode sessions, and I've made the perhaps ill-advised decision to start TNG in order. Does anyone actually care about TNG spoilers at this point? 'cause I'm probably going to slap out a few sentences of commentary on episodes once a week, or whenever.
 

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I posted all my comments around here when I watched EVERY Star Trek show made, haha. You'd probably trigger flashbacks from everyone here, hehe
 

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SNW is not without its flaws, but it's certainly the most fun I've had with modern live-action Trek so far. The show clicked for me really quickly, and it's such a different tone from Disco or Picard; which of what I have seen , I haven't really enjoyed all that much.

Speaking of (re)watching, I'm pushing myself to up my treadmill/stationary bike time by running one-episode sessions, and I've made the perhaps ill-advised decision to start TNG in order. Does anyone actually care about TNG spoilers at this point? 'cause I'm probably going to slap out a few sentences of commentary on episodes once a week, or whenever.
I think anything older than Discovery should be consider open discussion, as it would be at least 20 years old by now aside from the Kelvinverse films.
 

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So last night, I rewatched the season finale of SNW as well as the follow up I have waited to see for such a long time. It's almost like Best of Both Worlds all over again.

Anyways, I really enjoyed the conclusion and thought that it tied up everything well, but honestly I feel that the first part is a stronger episode than the second one.
 

G.B.Blackrock

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So last night, I rewatched the season finale of SNW as well as the follow up I have waited to see for such a long time. It's almost like Best of Both Worlds all over again.

Anyways, I really enjoyed the conclusion and thought that it tied up everything well, but honestly I feel that the first part is a stronger episode than the second one.
Seems to me that most people said THAT about Best of Both Worlds, too.
 

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Boy I'm not sure how I feel about this weeks episode. I kinda see what they were going for, but it ended up feeling rather heavy-handed and I think they kinda overdid they goofiness in their send up of the original series. Honestly, the only part I really enjoyed was the "blooper reel" at the end. I could see that kind of stuff actually happening during filming. Oh, and "Kirk" attempting the Riker maneuver had me rolling, considering who directed this episode.
 

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I think their Kirk was really good at his Shatner impression. I think all their set and costume design was great. It all looked wonderful. And I think all the Scotty stuff and the Scotty / Uhura stuff was great. it's just some of the other writing in the ep wasn't as good as you'd like it to be supporting a very fun concept.

-ZacWilliam, the bloopers were very fun though and as someone who was a Middle School kid obsessed with TOS and had the old bootleg VHS of their Bloopers it was spot on.
 

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Few days before I watch 4 eps of snw.

Did the first case in the Star Trek Cryptic. Turns out it's not based on any series. We're a cadet serving on a ship. First case is dealing with Klingons, with Romulons and Vulcans involved. There's actually some humor in your personal logs as you study Klingon and have a malfunctioning replicator.

Ok post two puzzles, both with no extra props and can be solved as is.
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First puzzle. I had a hard time until friend figured the essential key. You need the decipher what the three words are.
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Puzzle in the middle. Really easy. Just figure out what the word is.
 

Fero McPigletron

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Caught up with SNW.

1- I was expecting more guerrilla style planet side stuff when fighting the Gorn. This was mostly space.

2 - this is for the Spock fans, isn't it? The antagonist is a love letter to broken hearts. I didn't like it at first then loved it later. Darby is one of my fave actors.

3 - didn't like this. If they were going for scary, then make it scary.

4 - I predicted the deaths but not the killer. I want more of this!
 

Ceir

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Long post is long.

TNG is the Star Trek I grew up watching, in reruns at first (too young for initial broadcast of the first few seasons), and I've never actually watched the whole thing even as an adult – favorites and best-ofs, sure. And man, I've joked about it, but I never really internalized how rough TNG S1 is right out of the gate. Any TV show's first season is going to be a little wonky because of the sheer amount of world-building and introductions that have to play out; it's definitely in full effect here. But the seeds of the good things are there as well. All good things, if you will.

On the other hand, what must it have been like if you liked Star Trek in 1987? At that point there had been TOS/TAS, the first four TOS movies, and novels. Fandom wasn't even a fraction of how connected it's become, but it was real, and someone somewhere was screaming at hearing the chimes and “Space, the final frontier...” on TV again. It's really hard to try to watch these with a fresh mind, given how long I've liked Star Trek and how well I know the show, the characters, and the memes, but I'm certainly giving it a go.

1x01/02 Encounter at Farpoint I/II
So we're introduced to the main cast and a whole bunch of exposition. John Delancie's Q from moment one was certainly a choice to lead off with, probably far stronger than bringing back a TOS villain, and it tries to establish a whole lot about the characters in a very short time. Some of it's successful, some of it isn't, some of it doesn't stick at all.

On the gripping hand, I had completely forgotten that O'brien is there from day 1. Also, Deanna, that skirt could not get any shorter. As costumes go, even the jumpsuits are an improvement from almost having an incident every time she sits down.

Doing the saucer separation is very much a “look what we can do now” moment, and it is pretty awesome even if it's severely downplayed on the rare occasions they subsequently use it. And I don't think we ever see them do the re-connect again.

Q's court is kind of hilarious and kind of cringe-inducing these days, given the costume warehouse raid for the crowd. I swear they made the WW3 trooper guy outfits out of tarps and bubble wrap.

Legacy character cameos are hardly a new phenomenon. Wonderful to hear De Kelley's voice as old man McCoy one more time.

Riker's introduction is another exposition dump, but it sets up the 'mystery' part of the episodes and does work to establish the history between Picard and the Crusher family, along with Beverly's conversation later.

Deanna senses some things, much pain and suffering, et and cetera. The flying saucer is a jellyfish, the station is an enslaved jellyfish, shine a light on it, they get to hold hands and fly off screen, we solved Q's test.

I remember reading somewhere, but can't find the source, that the TNG pilot was actually two different scripts mashed together (the Farpoint stuff and the Q stuff, basically), which jives with how disjointed it sometimes feels between the two plotlines.

1x03 The Naked Now
Oh boy. So you've barely started establishing the characters in the pilot two-parter, and now is when you schedule the “mind-altering virus makes everyone act out of character” episode? I mean, it's literally the earliest they could have done a direct TOS reference after the pilot, which...I understand, but still. I don't know what I would have done in its place, but purely for the TNG characters this exact episode would have been more impactful a little further down the line.

'Victim ship of the week: Oberth' count: 1

'OSHA would have prevented the whole episode' count: 1 (hazmat and isolation protocols)

First regular episode, first occurrence of Wesley actively making everything worse and nearly killing everyone! Also, someone recording and splicing Picard's voice, that's not going to come back to haunt a later episode, no...

Ah, to be a drunk-and-horny virus in the 80s, when casual sexual harassment was...wait, no, it's still used for comedy. Dammit. Yar gets the short end of the stick, also a spit curl and a severely backless dress. And also somehow the virus (and the cure) affects the android, if to a lesser degree. They hadn't really established just how robotic he was yet, so I suppose it's kind of a wash.

...that said, Data keeling over on the bridge still makes me snort.

I get that it's exposition for the audience, and in all of episode two the Doylist explanation is the writers had to get it in there somewhere, but surely in-universe someone's used a tractor beam as a pressor beam before. RIP Tsilkovsky.

1x04 Code of Honor
Man. This one's pretty awkward even for 1987, and it didn't have to be – according to Memory Alpha, the script only called for leader dude's guards to be black, and the director made everyone from the planet black instead. Combine that with the presentation of the Ligonian society as a little backward about things like how women are treated, and it's not exactly a shining example of an episode. The MA article even cites several of the main cast saying it's the worst episode they ever did. Small wonder the director left/was fired.

Shelving the racism for now, the basic “outsmart the Honorable Warrior Culture Planet” plot is not on its own awful – it'd be a slightly sketchy first-season outing, but mostly unremarkable otherwise. Worf is Sir Not Appearing In This Episode, might have been handy to have around even if TNG Klingons had actually not yet been established as Honorable Warrior Guys yet. Bet he'd have had a quip about it at least.

Yar at least gets to beat some people up before getting kidnapped. Is that a step up from getting ice Qbed in Farpoint, then made the main victim of the horny virus in the previous episode, or no?

Wow. Picard going right to orbit-to-surface bombardment as a warning shot. Forgot about that. What a difference two episodes makes, hmm?

Troi's questionable fashion decisions: jumpsuit, fine. Bikini-bottom overlay a la Superman? Iffy.

“May your code bring you everything you deserve” is actually a really good line.

Did they have to make the arena look like a strip club stage? Some netting would have done wonders to prevent that 'whoopsie' death of that extra.

And of course, technically correct is the best kind of correct, yep, Yareena sure did die, your laws don't have a provision for reviving her, so...off we go!

Four down, (26 per season x 7 seasons =) 178 to go, or at three to four per week I'll be done approximately...next July. Oh boy.
 

Fero McPigletron

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Saw Strange New Worlds 3x5 Lens of Time.

I found it scarier than the zombie episode. The conflict here is straight out of a Doctor Who ep. Is it a fresh take on a TOS ep? The idea has been done several times but the body horrible is yiiiikes. Once you cross the gross event horizon, there's no turning back.

Shame about the final outcome. Dunno what the last second means but hope that gets followed up on.

I really thought it was going to be a cool escape room type ep until they translated the other word. Then it was just scary.

Great ep!

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Next Gen, when I was finally watching it last year (did i start last year or two years ago?), seeing the Naked Time and the ethnic ep in a row made me think how backwards the first eps felt. Still sexist and a bit icky, haha. So glad it got better.
 

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Saw Strange New Worlds 3x5 Lens of Time.

I found it scarier than the zombie episode. The conflict here is straight out of a Doctor Who ep. Is it a fresh take on a TOS ep?
Did you go through TOS first? I don't remember.

No, not exactly. But it dealt with themes from "What are Little Girls Made Of?" set a few years later.

Shame about the final outcome. Dunno what the last second means but hope that gets followed up on.
I think you can count on it.
 

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So yesterday I sat down on the couch around late morning to drink a second cup of coffee. Turned on the TV just to kill a few minutes while I did so, and Wrath of Kahn happened to be on screen. Now, I'm not one to change the channel when Wrath of Kahn is on, so I kept it there. It was the scene where Kahn had just put the bugs into Chekhov and Captain Terrell's ears and was giving his evil speech.

Our dog, who has never paid any attention to the television as far as I've noticed, suddenly perked up and started watching Kahn. As Kahn continued his speech (dripping with menace, but calm), the dog started growling and barking at the screen until it went to commercial. Clearly Ricardo Montalban's acting was so good that, even without raising his voice, the dog could tell that this man was bad. He's not a barky dog by nature at all, so it really must have made an impression on him.
 

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I've seen all of TOS and I do remember Nurse Chapel having a guy (Korby) but I had to look at the summary of What Little Girls are Made of to refresh my memory.

I'm just thinking of energy beings possessing people's bodies tho, for the evil race in that ep. The name even resembles Doctor Who's Vash Narada (checking spelling... it's Vashta Nerada) from Silence in the Library ep.

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I remember watching some of the Trek eps of Care Bears, mostly because, of all the Cousins, they picked the pig as a main cast member. Can't remember her name. Share Heart Pig? (checking name... Treat Heart Pig).
 

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I've seen all of TOS and I do remember Nurse Chapel having a guy (Korby) but I had to look at the summary of What Little Girls are Made of to refresh my memory.

I'm just thinking of energy beings possessing people's bodies tho, for the evil race in that ep. The name even resembles Doctor Who's Vash Narada (checking spelling... it's Vashta Nerada) from Silence in the Library ep.

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I remember watching some of the Trek eps of Care Bears, mostly because, of all the Cousins, they picked the pig as a main cast member. Can't remember her name. Share Heart Pig? (checking name... Treat Heart Pig).

As a child of the 80's, of course I remember Care Bears, but I do not remember them going full on Star Trek. Especially not for what would these days be nearly a full season of a show.
 

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Another quartet down.

1x05 The Last Outpost
Ah, our first actual introduction to the Ferengi, in all their early installment weirdness and full loot-goblin mode. And the T'kon, for the times they've cropped up in secondary canon! It's time for the first round of “we're both trapped on an alien planet” episodes, so let's get our away teams trapped.

The Enterprise's life support runs dry how quickly, now?

Ah, the Chinese finger trap joke. I feel like the use at the end of the episode was to try for an ending laugh like TOS Trouble With Tribbles, but man that fell flat.

The Ferengi electro-whips are pretty neat weapon designs, shame they never really use them again – and then you realize they're made out of pool noodles under the effects.

Hey, Yar doesn't get beaten up or insulted this time!

Complicated effects caused a different sort of casualty this episode – the Ferengi Marauder was supposed to partially transform and have some kind of battle mode, but the model never functioned right and something like two seconds of the battle mode actually made it on screen. EAS has an article on it.

1x06 Where No One Has Gone before
And here we have our first 'experiment gone wrong' episode, with a side order of the series' second transcendental being! As well as the E-D's revolving door of chief engineers.

Fashion victim: Wesley, this time. I don't know how many times I've seen that sweater at Goodwill. Sometimes it's even avocado green!

Kosinski's a pretentious ass, which also will turn out to be a trend for these sorts of episodes. Very punchable.

Ah, Traveler. You're a weird one, and come off kinda creepy in this episode. Maybe that's my near-forty-years-on senses overreacting.

On the other hand, Wesley was right about something and nobody listened to him. I only wince because I Know The Future.

Impossible speeds one way, a brief detour into thought made real, a quick return, and poof goes the Traveler. Considering this is from 1987, the effects are pretty good, even though the hallucinations/dream images just pop in and out. I was playing spot the NASA images in the warp jumps.

1x07 Lonely Among Us
Here's the first possession episode, this time complicating volatile and combative diplomatic delegations. Let's see, shall we.

Pretty good costume work for the Selay and Anticans, but there's not much to that B-plot other than “they hate each other” and “we have to get them somewhere quickly”. Hey, they had the ambassador make the 'barbarians' joke about -not- eating meat!

Of course a quick pause to scan something starts all the trouble. And...hm. Consider, if continuity were a concern this early in the series. Wesley: “Hey, Commander Riker? Mom's acting weird again, and you remember the Tsilkovsky virus...” Wouldn't save him from the sweater though.

Thing I'd forgotten: this is where Data gets into Sherlock Holmes. Thanks, Jean-Luc.

For as short a segment as it is, Troi/Crusher/Riker debating if and how to relieve Picard from duty is pretty tense narratively, as is the captain more or less casually committing suicide by transporter. Thankfully we can Data-ex-machina him back later. And it was a refreshingly honest alien energy entity, all things considered.

1x08 Justice
Meme episode! Paradise doesn't go well, Wesley almost gets executed, Picard makes a short speech and a very unilateral decision. This early in the series, clearly the writing hadn't settled on what the Prime Directive actually -is-, despite the citing of it in this episode. The Enterprise plunks a colony down, hops around the block, and first contacts a clearly non-spacefaring civilization with the intent of shore leave.

Costuming note: the Theiss Factor is high on both genders, there's a lot of double-sided tape holding things in place. Also some really bad wigs.

I probably chuckled a little too much at Troi's dig on Riker, and Worf looking Supremely Uncomfortable; let alone the later sex conversation between Riker and Worf. And Data keels over after being booped by a soap bubble.

Regarding the discussion about Wesley's situation, I think McFadden was able to get the right energy in that short of a scene for a terrified mom, and I appreciate that between Picard and Data they alluded to the whole “needs of the many” line without actually quoting it directly.

The 'god' ship effect is pretty good looking, and I know they reused the model more fully visible in another episode. One of the mind-control ones I think.

And then it's all wrapped up with a short Picard Speech...and he declares without consultation or debate that they'll pick up all the colonists they just dropped off. “Hey, the next system over has a highly-advanced being that's a little territorial” is a fair cop, I'll admit, but still.

Non-episode thought: am I reading too much into episodes that were made almost forty years ago? Probably. Also, I think my DVD set is in production order instead of airing order (or vice versa). 'cause I -think- the colony they're referring to is the one from Haven, which I haven't hit yet.
 


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