Well now I'm dying to know what the connection is there.
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The connection is: another referendum is unpopular, and he needed an out to stop talking about it. Unfortunately, he also has literally nothing else to talk about.
2026 Quebec general election - Wikipedia
Oh, so back the PQ-versus-Liberal duopoly, I see.
Big LOL at CAQ being wiped out, but I guess the Conservative Party got most of their votes.
The caq is gone, but functionally all we've done is trade seperatist fuckwits for seperatist fuckwits. And with the liberals saying they won't coalition build: there's nothing to stop the PQ from pushing their agenda through.
Okay, so I've finally had the chance to sit down and absorb the outcome from yesterday.
It's a PQ minority government, and the three other parties in government currently stand at more seat than them. Two of them are against a referendum at all, and the QS (while still a seperatist party.) is smart enough to understand quebec needs to be financially viable to be a country and we are not. So while the PQ will be screaming about a referendum: it won't happen, and the prognosticators are suggesting we'll be in another election in two years.
Also: caq lost everything. No seats at all; I suspect the roaches will bail entirely and disappear for a while
It's a PQ minority government, and the three other parties in government currently stand at more seat than them. Two of them are against a referendum at all, and the QS (while still a seperatist party.) is smart enough to understand quebec needs to be financially viable to be a country and we are not. So while the PQ will be screaming about a referendum: it won't happen, and the prognosticators are suggesting we'll be in another election in two years.
Also: caq lost everything. No seats at all; I suspect the roaches will bail entirely and disappear for a while
Righty, so I had a thought today, and I'mma share.
I think we'll be back at an election significantly sooner than 18 months. I think the PQ will see how precarious their position is, and rush on a referendum. Which will get blocked by everyone else, and trigger a "no confidence" call. The PQ literally have nothing else, and largely won because they weren't the caq, and weren't the liberals: though the liberals did do much better than I conceived they could.
I think we'll be back at an election significantly sooner than 18 months. I think the PQ will see how precarious their position is, and rush on a referendum. Which will get blocked by everyone else, and trigger a "no confidence" call. The PQ literally have nothing else, and largely won because they weren't the caq, and weren't the liberals: though the liberals did do much better than I conceived they could.
Turns out we not even get there; The PQ is refusing to take the oath to the king. They did the same thing at the start of the last mandate, but they had three seats and folded because they wanted to be seated and get their paycheques.
But now they're the sitting party... While I don't disagree with their position; they want it because it pisses off the feds and not because we shouldn't be taking an oath to some hereditary fuckwit on the other side of an ocean. I'm not even sure what's going to happen now: they can't not be seated; they are the recognized ruling party. Unless everyone else form a coalition and agrees to a single premier (and they won't.) then they're in charge. But because they didn't take the oath required by the canadian constitution: none of what they put forward or pass into law will be legal or actionable.
They haven't even started yet and it's already a charlie foxtrot.
Edit: for spelling and missing words. Apparently I cannot english.
But now they're the sitting party... While I don't disagree with their position; they want it because it pisses off the feds and not because we shouldn't be taking an oath to some hereditary fuckwit on the other side of an ocean. I'm not even sure what's going to happen now: they can't not be seated; they are the recognized ruling party. Unless everyone else form a coalition and agrees to a single premier (and they won't.) then they're in charge. But because they didn't take the oath required by the canadian constitution: none of what they put forward or pass into law will be legal or actionable.
They haven't even started yet and it's already a charlie foxtrot.
Edit: for spelling and missing words. Apparently I cannot english.
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That’s… Interesting. Here in the UK, Sinn Fein does the same, with their elected MPs refusing the oath and abstaining completely from sitting in the House of Commons. Different outcome, however, as Northern Ireland only has 19 out the of 649 seats in the HoC.
(The other nationalist party in NI, the SDLP, reluctantly take the oath. Their MPs currently sit on the government benches with Labour, as is traditional.)
Wondered how the Northern Ireland assembly works, as Sinn Fein participate in government there, and apparently it doesn’t require electees to take an oath to the monarch to take their seats or hold ministerial seats. I assume, without doing more investigating that the Good Friday agreement had clauses to allow that.
(The other nationalist party in NI, the SDLP, reluctantly take the oath. Their MPs currently sit on the government benches with Labour, as is traditional.)
Wondered how the Northern Ireland assembly works, as Sinn Fein participate in government there, and apparently it doesn’t require electees to take an oath to the monarch to take their seats or hold ministerial seats. I assume, without doing more investigating that the Good Friday agreement had clauses to allow that.
The thing is: they need the rest of the country to agree to want to change the oath. This isn't something quebec alone can force a change on. I suspect it's to drum up anti canada sentiment (Oh look! They won't respect the seperatist party! Canada hates you!) to push their referendum. And while the anti canada sentiment usually works to drive out the chuds to attacks non-whites and vandalize property: it doesn't move the needle on wanting seperation.
But ultimately: the population doesn't care about the oath. Unless you were a politician, most people didn't even know it existed. They care that the chosen party won't be able to write laws or pass legislation. But they functionally got until next year to figure it out. They aren't going to be seated till november, probably only have time enough to get organized before christmas break, and then they won't be back until after valentines day.
As bad a hugging republicans, quebec politicians.
But ultimately: the population doesn't care about the oath. Unless you were a politician, most people didn't even know it existed. They care that the chosen party won't be able to write laws or pass legislation. But they functionally got until next year to figure it out. They aren't going to be seated till november, probably only have time enough to get organized before christmas break, and then they won't be back until after valentines day.
As bad a hugging republicans, quebec politicians.
Alright, so I had a thought while I was out driving, and I need someone to check my thinking.
The PQ have picked a fight they didn't need to have, and cannot possibly win. Plamondon has officially moved up to trump level fuckwit by doing this jive with the oath again. They can't not be seated: so they're going to burn whatever political capital and goodwill they had just to get in the door of the assembly. They'll then have to rush the referendum because they literally have no other policy: which will be defeated by the opposition and trigger a call of no confidence. I don't think we get the PQ for 18 months the prognosticators are saying, I think like 8 months max.
The PQ have picked a fight they didn't need to have, and cannot possibly win. Plamondon has officially moved up to trump level fuckwit by doing this jive with the oath again. They can't not be seated: so they're going to burn whatever political capital and goodwill they had just to get in the door of the assembly. They'll then have to rush the referendum because they literally have no other policy: which will be defeated by the opposition and trigger a call of no confidence. I don't think we get the PQ for 18 months the prognosticators are saying, I think like 8 months max.