Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

[Thylacine 2000]

You've seen all the recent summits and virtue-signaling "recognitions" that all agree Hamas must disarm and relinquish Gaza, right?

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

You've seen all the recent summits and virtue-signaling "recognitions" that all agree Hamas must disarm and relinquish Gaza, right?

But not with an "or else" attached to it. I'm sure they didn't say "If you don't disarm, we will let the Israelis continue to commit war crimes against you".

 

[wonko the sane?]

That's not really the kind of thing that you need to say out loud. Implied, of course, but not out loud.

 

[Pocket]

Maybe that's how they got him on board with it?

Almost certainly. What I want to know is how they got Netanyahu on board. He's the one with the anti-Palestinian agenda here, and isn't just chasing clout.

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

Some reasons why the proposed "peace" deal may not be so "peaceful" or good for Palestinians.

Trump peace plan 'ignores interests of Palestinian people', Hamas official tells BBC

A senior Hamas figure told the BBC the group is likely to reject Trump's Gaza peace plan, saying it "serves Israel's interests".

www.bbc.com

 

[Pocket]

I stopped reading at "a senior Hamas figure said."

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

"...In a previously unreported email released as part of a hack of former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak’s email account, Oracle CEO Safra Catz explicitly expressed a commitment to influencing U.S. public opinion in favor of Israel...

...Catz...shared her own views on how Americans should be conditioned to support Israel, writing:

"We have all been horrified by the growth of the BDS movement in college campuses and have concluded that we have to fight this battle before the kids even get to college. We believe that we have to embed the love and respect for Israel in the American culture. That means getting the message to the American people in a way they can consume it."

“As Executive Vice Chair of the Oracle Board of Directors, Safra will be nowhere near the algorithm of TikTok,” sources familiar with the matter told Responsible Statecraft. The sources “could not confirm the authenticity of the email.”

(Source: - https://responsiblestatecraft.org/oracle-tiktok-israel/)

 

[Dekafox]

Looks like that flotilla from earlier was intercepted:

Greta Thunberg among flotilla activists deported from Israel. Others remain in prison

Israeli authorities say they have deported another 171 activists from a Gaza-bound flotilla including Greta Thunberg.

apnews.com

 

[Ironbite4]

And Isreal decided to go full Nazi on Thunberg.

Israel deports Greta Thunberg and other Gaza flotilla activists

Among the 161 arriving in Athens, MEP Rima Hassan reports that she was 'beaten' by Israeli police officers.

www.aljazeera.com

Highlights include dragging her around by her hair, forcing her to kneel and kiss an Israeli flag before feeding her, and making her sleep on a cold hard floor.

Ironbite-BUT WE GOTTA DEFEND ISRAEL AGAINST EVERYTHING RIGHT!?

 

[Thylacine 2000]

Don't suppose we can get any confirmation from any real media? Or are we supposed to keep trusting the publicists who say the Honey Boo Boo of recycling was "kidnapped" by being sent home?

Do they have video? Because the flotilla filmed enough to show themselves dumping devices with lithium batteries into the ocean, instead of erasing them (or, y'know, not doing this)?

They acknowledged that they were carrying "only a symbolic amount of aid" (that precise phrase appears in literally every piece about them like it came from a press kit) and they conspicuously refused to turn over whatever that "only a symbolic amount" was to Greece, Italy, or the Vatican, which all had offered to send it in for them without forcing a confrontation with the Israeli Navy.

It looks like shifty ragebait constantly piled atop itself.

 

[Dekafox]

Is Associated Press not real media anymore? Or are you just referring to the Al Jazeera article?

 

[Thylacine 2000]

I was referring mostly to Ersin Celik and Rima Hassan, who were part of this thing themselves with the whole purpose of raising a sensationalist spectacle. Why do they deserve more credence than anyone embedded in the Canadian trucker protest convoy a few years ago?

Al-Jazeera has a deeply poisonous history (at the "Christkiller" / "Holocaust never happened" level), but I am willing to go on a case-by-case basis with their reporting. I don't particularly care for the New York Post, but they were the first ones I found with video of the flotilla's cell phone tea party.

It is particularly because of my background in environmental activism that I have my radar up. History doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes:

Japanese whalers say Animal Planet staged Whale Wars shooting

Japan’s Institute of Cetacean Research accused the Animal Planet documentary reality series Whale Wars of faking an incident between Sea Shepherd and the Nisshin Maru.

www.realityblurred.com

After the Sea Shepherds hurled foul-smelling and slippery substances onto the Nisshin Maru’s deck, the boat’s crew threw flash bangs back at them, and then captain Paul Watson said he’d been shot.

A crew member later dug a bullet out of his Kevlar vest (no one else, it seemed, was wearing a bulletproof vest), and the actual shooting wasn’t captured on film, so the whole thing was intriguing, at the very least.

Whale Wars itself has been pretty even-handed, as the Sea Shepherds often come across as bumbling, incompetent, and irrational ("I climbed aboard your boat and you kidnapped me!"), however committed they are to stopping the actions of whalers that seems pretty damning, questionable, and horrifying.

That was true of the finale, as the narration during Friday’s episode made it clear that it’s possible the incident was faked, but not by the network or the filmmakers. “But what actually happened is the subject of much dispute,” the narrator says, adding that “the Japanese whalers say no shots were fired” and alter calling it the “alleged shooting.”