Hasbr-uh-oh - Business and Tariffs Discussion

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Tell you what, I really miss is doing my regular supermarket shopping, spotting a current Transformers figure I didn't intend to buy, but am impressed by, then putting it in the trolley, without having a second thought about the cost of it.

(Yes, a lot of that is due to the big supermarkets in the UK no longer stocking Transformers in their toy aisles after Titans Return ended, but still.)
 

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(I know what you mean, but toy departments in our supermarkets dwindled away to nothing maybe 25 years ago, so my version involves a supermarket and separate toy store/s in the same mall.)

Doing my regular supermarket shopping is actually what establishes in my mind that all the other shopping I'd get to do is window shopping. Especially over the last few years. One time I got so frustrated at what a little pack of three carrots cost, it felt wrong buying anything after the grocery run. It was hard to muster up any enjoyment because of how powerless I felt over my own purchasing ability.
 

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I think the last figure I bought in a supermarket was DotM Powerglide at Loblaws. Supermarket distribution for toys kinda dried up after that, at least in my neck of the woods.
 
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We have Super Walmarts here in the US, and some Super Targets, that have Groceries and everything else. So here, you can still get your groceries and toy shop at Walmart. The other grocery stores around here don't carry toys anymore, other than some junky cheap toys or small ones like Hotwheels. Publix has some toys around Christmas time, but nothing name brand.
 

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And just yesterday I discovered that FYE of all places now has a Transformers section. It's small but it had some Studio Series, Legacy United, EarthSpark, Authentics, and even those Rise of the Beasts little Battle Masters toys.
 

Sabrblade

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Publix sometimes has toys in their Easter baskets. Otherwise, nothing.
Publix used to carry the Beast Battle Masters from Rise of the Beasts and/or the Voyager-sized Authentics figures. But the ROTB line ended and Authentics just wasn't selling well.
 

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And just yesterday I discovered that FYE of all places now has a Transformers section. It's small but it had some Studio Series, Legacy United, EarthSpark, Authentics, and even those Rise of the Beasts little Battle Masters toys.
The one at Citrus Park Mall has a decent selection if you wanna pick up some Blokees or RotB stuff.
 

Princess Viola

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the UK sellling transformers (and other toys) at supermarkets is more proof that the UK is not real to me

supermarkets are for FOOD not TOYS.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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the UK sellling transformers (and other toys) at supermarkets is more proof that the UK is not real to me

supermarkets are for FOOD not TOYS.

Supermarkets in the States always sold toys when I was growing up.

They were usually the cheap kind that you'd often see at a convenience store, like light-up swords and guns that fire ping pong balls with character licenses slapped on them, but they had them, just the same.

It's after coming to Canada that I stopped seeing them in most cases.
 

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As a heads up, there is unfounded word going around that Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks just got rid of a massive archive of old Hasbro toys donated by designers for preservation, all because of "corporate greed". The origin of this claim is an Instagram reel from a MLP collector who provides no sources of any kind for this claim, just that she "heard" about it.

I am bringing this up here in case anyone here comes across this claim and thinks it's true, but really, it doesn't make any sense even from a "corporate greed" standpoint. While Cocks has done a lot of things in the name of the soulless corporate machine (laying off tons of employees just before Christmas, running Magic the Gathering and Power Rangers into the ground, selling off Entertainment One and pulling out of co-financing any movies based on Hasbro IPs, etc.), this particular claim of there having been an archive of old Hasbro toys at all just comes across as nonsensical when you think about it.

Wiki user Maximal Denn made some good points deconstructing this claim on the wiki's Discord server, which I will share below:
I don't think Hasbro has ever kept an archive. The only toy company that I know of that keeps some kind of archive is Lego, and even then they don't archive everything. Hasbro does keep some stuff around though. We know they have the Unicron prototypes.

But we also know they rely heavily on internet research for remaking older toys too, I am sure they keep an archive of the important stuff (Think the G1 OP toy) and select prototypes (the G1 Unicrons, DOTM Blaster), but as far as we know most stuff gets trashed or taken home by the designers. They do have a lot of vintage stuff (first Monopoly edition, early NERF blasters) on permanent display in the Rhode Island office as well.

This does not jive with what is publicly known about how Hasbro handles it's toys. The idea isn't even particularly viable. Why would Hasbro need designers to donate the figures they worked on? Where would they keep they space? How do they prevent overlap? Realistically Hasbro would still maintain any design documents and blueprints, those would be easily uploaded to digital storage spaces. Just think of how big the average collection can get, how do you maintain that in an office setting, where is it kept, how do you access it?

The more I think on this the more non-viable the idea of a Hasbro toy archive becomes. What are you archiving? Retail releases? Those are mass produced, and any design documents regarding them are likely getting archived separately. We know they don't keep most prototypes, which would make sense to be archived. Why would you need designers to give their personal figures to the archive? Hasbro HAS production samples of every figure they make. Throw one of those in the archive.

I've worked in plastics manufacturing; my company had to keep an archive of parts that could be put on order again. Even then it was still cleared regularly. It takes up way too much space, and you can't keep both the molds and production samples without racking up hefty costs in the long run.

Archives usually have a purpose. National Library of Congress takes important media and preserves it for future generations in case of a disaster. The Internet Archive preserves old websites and pages for research purposes and historical importance. What does an archive of mass produced toys serve? I can't really think of any.
 
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Not even all of those decisions are necessarily corporate greed, as opposed to just odious and/or coming across as dumb (the last thing I'D ever do is shelf Power Rangers, especially as it's not a license and I could use it directly, like what) based on what we're privy to. I think the D&D and Magic stuff, and of course the layoffs, are the most greed-associated moves, and getting out of the media creation game and reducing financial commitment to movies were both just prudent.

This as a matter of greed is odd, because greed would have led them to try and monetize this through auctions like they did for the Power Rangers costumes (still preferable to disposal). If it were cost-cutting, then that's a different potential problem, and I'm not sure what the new space in Boston would be like for stuff like this.

This latest HE TELL ME controversy sounds spurious.
 
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Whoever started this rumor really does not understand how many brands Hasbro owns and what it would physically take to have a significant archive. The Louvre isn't big enough.
If this isn’t just an attempt to stir up antagonism towards Chris Cocks, then it might be a complex misunderstanding of how Hasbro generally functions. Hasbro DOES have a material archive, they DO have old archival assets, I’m sure designers HAVE donated materials (especially under Goldner, who was more appreciative of the company’s history, it seems). They also have their own “company store” where employees can buy stuff too.
But MOST companies don’t do the kind of “historical preservation” that the post seems to imply. If anything, it wouldn’t surprise me if they had some “employee store stock” built up and got rid of it for space (especially as they seem to be gearing up for that Boston move). And someone misinterpreted that as Hasbro having some archival stuff disposed of.
 

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When Hasbro announced it was moving from Rhode Island, there was a local news video talking about the effect on the local community, and one part showed this big toy store where apparently the Hasbro designers would go to get old toys to use as references and stuff.

I forget if the video was shared in thread, but I think I featured it in the front page news post I wrote on it.
 

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[What is actually said in this reel? I'm not able to play it with audio right now. It seems to just be a person speaking to camera in their (or A) collection display room, and the only text is "chris cocks burned down the library of alexandria" and a reply from the OP that says "I heard it from kirk hindman himself when we met" so there is technically a source. I'm not of that fandom, so I have no idea who alicesponycorner is or why they would have Da Scoops, and had to look up Hindman as well.)

I took the liberty of not dwelling on the comments because I need my brain cells for a paper I'm writing this week.]

For what it's worth, alicesponycorner showed up on TFW to post this:
I am Alice from Alice's Pony corner the original person who broke this news to everyone.

There is no official news source for this information and if you think about it why would there be why would Hasbro want their name drive to the ground.

My 20th birthday was on the 16th and on that day I got the pleasure of meeting Kirk Hindman the original sculptor of the original G1 My Little Ponies

He has worked for the company from around the late '70s to 2013. We talked for quite a bit and he was the one that brought up that the archives got thrown away. He told me they're literally in a landfill and I asked if there's any way to get them and he replied "if you get a shovel," he didn't tell me much of what was thrown away. All he said to me that is was the developmental archives. Aka, archives from employees. I know for sure that some of his archives got thrown away like wax molds and prototypes, also piles of MLP G1 animation cells. He also mentioned that GI Joe stuff was in the landfill. I only got to talk to him for about 30 minutes and because he's a pretty busy person, I don't know the next time I could speak to him. Him and my father are friends and that's why I had the opportunity to meet him in the first place. I could bother my dad for his email but I'm not sure if he'd appreciate that. Kirk was very open and honest about Hasbro throwing away the archives and he seemed very carefree because he has nothing to lose but also feel like if I keep mentioning his name I don't want him to get in trouble. He has no faith in Hasbro as a company currently with Cocks as the CEO and the layoffs, and the big move to Boston... He said honestly that he thinks Hasbro as a company is going to really struggle the next couple years and his theory is that Hasbro is going to have to be sold off for it to not be bankrupt. I am not a forum person I made this account just to make this reply. so if any of you guys want to message me please message me on Instagram. Which is Alicesponycorner. Also on my Instagram you can see me and Kirk together so you know I'm not spewing bs.

Also I would like to add I am from the foxboro area of Massachusetts so I'm very close to the Pawtucket offices. Everyone knows someone that has worked/works for Hasbro. I just wanted to say that so you guys know the kind of situation I'm in. I'm not just some like rando from California spewing this, I live in the heart of Hasbro

I mean, I can see the value in such a collection, even if it's more sentimental. It's easy to picture designers over the years donating some copies of this and that after moving on, or something being set aside after a team or big brand transition.

But
[1] that's a LOT of pieces, of a lot of product, over a lot of years, for a lot of brands,
[2] what IS this that just keeps being called The Archive? was it a formally designated space and collection? The info from hindman quoted above mentions stuff that seems like it would be worth archiving like prototypes and cels. Still, see [1]. And...
[3] such a romantic concept is perfect for pitchfork-raising against a decidedly unromantic beancounter to whom a million unsavory motives are and have been easily ascribed. It's just too convenient an outrage button to ignore that possible use for it as a misinterpretation or outright fabrication.
 
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