If I were in charge, the complete toy based version would be a Commander. The box art version would be trailer-free and sold for a whole lot less.
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Seems like the whole thing could just be one Commander with two heads to choose from.
I went to business school. I'm trained to do the evil option.
I said it before and I'll say it again: the ideal solution would be for the figure to have a retractable mouthplate that could be deployed and hidden away like TF: Cybertron Leader Class Optimus.
As for any budget concerns, if we're already talking making the whole package a Commander Class, then there would be room for such a tiny mechanic.
As for any budget concerns, if we're already talking making the whole package a Commander Class, then there would be room for such a tiny mechanic.
I'd prefer an alternate head so there's no risk of compromising the MW toy/Thunderclash sculpt. Just do two heads.
It's also the principle of the matter. Almost every other collector line comes with alternate heads as a standard, but Transformers just doesn't do that. They've flirted with it here and there but I'd like to see more of it.
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Same. No need to faff around with engineering it and making room in the chest for that. Just tool up a swappable neck joint that isn't that Buzzworthy nonsense. Could even just straight up reuse the G2 head since that's what the box art was based on.
Thunderclash can have his own mouthplate-less head. Let Optimus have the retooled head with the gimmick.
It's odd to me that so many here have this nostalgia for Machine Wars. We had a KB toys, but it was 30 miles away in a mall that we didn't go to that often. So I completely missed that entire toyline. Heck, we didn't even have G2 toys around here. Once the Micromasters left the shelves, I didn't see any TFs until Beast Wars. I did get some of the MW toys later on in the 2000s, but I never thought that anyone really cared for the line.
Reportedly, people at BotCon 1997 wouldn't stop pestering Bob Forward about making a Machine Wars cartoon, when Forward had no idea what they were talking about.
It wasn't that unreasonable at the time. It's 1997. You've got G1, G2, BW, and MW as far as lines went. G1, G2, and BW all had a show attached to them. These days we're used to collector aimed lines with little to no media but back then? Why wouldn't MW have a show? Literally every other line up to that point had.
To paraphrase Young Frankenstein... well you were wrong then, weren't you?
I donno man, I didn't have KB Toys at all where I grew up, but I remember thinking they were really cool whenever we'd visit the States. It's like a Toys R Us but in a mall!!!
Anyway I have very vivid memories of seeing them at a KB Toys in Orlando on a family trip and begging my parents for them and getting told no.
Never saw them after that, but I always thought they were neat, and was kind of disheartened years later as a teen when I joined the online fandom and found out most people regarded the line poorly.
Fast forward to today, and I have the whole collection. It's like someone whispered my Winter Solider activation code. I was the Machine Wars fan who never was. But now I'm home.
It's just such a fun line. So much of it is a cluster of questionable and rushed decisions and flat out mistakes but it comes together to be something very cool, IMO. Especially now that we're not hurting for proper modern updates of classic characters. MW being this out there thing makes it more unique and special.
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I've always really had a fondness for it. I'm sure there are dozens of us. Dozens.
Don't think we ever got Machine Wars in Canada. So I have no real nostalgia for it. Cool they are doing them for those that do.
So far not a lot from the new Sandbox approach I'm for sure picking up aside from Thunderwing. Not complaining makes for a lighter year on the wallet.
So far not a lot from the new Sandbox approach I'm for sure picking up aside from Thunderwing. Not complaining makes for a lighter year on the wallet.
That's what made them so fascinating to me. I grew up just outside of Toronto. MW was just this weird vehicle centric Transformers line I only ever saw once in Florida. And given that it was G2 and not BW that was my entry point into Transformers? That was big for ten year old me. It was just this one off memory of these cool post-BW vehicle Transformers I was half sure I imagined until I found out no, they really were real years later.
I'm pretty sure the brand team has said that the earliest we'll see the "sandbox" approach in Generations fully manifest is 2028. Which makes sense. The pipeline from conception to retail is two years for a toy. So if the decision to reorient SS into the media accuracy line for all media and turn regular Generations into the sandbox came this year then the earliest we'll see stuff that was designed with that in mind would be 2028. So year two of Megatron Rising, assuming it has a two year cycle like AotP had.
There was no precedent for having more than one show at a time, though.
But more importantly to why Forward was confused by being asked about it repeatedly, the writer of the Beast Wars show wouldn't be the one who'd decide whether a Machine Wars show got made.
we know 2027 is a transition year. And there's still some sandbox stuff going on with the new weaponizers and the Megatron combiner. As it stands with the info we have so far. This is my pass or pickup list so far.
Deluxe
Barricade - new mold - maybe
Nighbird - new mold - car with flip out guns - pass
Collapse - new mold - wrecking ball truck - pickup
Machine Wars Megatron - New mold - pass
Mirage - new mold - stylised G1 - Pass
G2 Gobots Megatron - New mold - Pass
Hydraulic- new mold- steamroller - pickup
Air Quake - presumably Nexus Limb - Pickup
Voyagers
Slipstream - new mold - chugified Animated- Maybe
G2 Megatron - new mold -possibly comprimised by combiner function- Maybe
Demolishor- new mold - pick up
Unknown Ironhide- need more info
Leader
Lugnut- new mold - chugified Animated - Maybe
Scorponok - new mold - Energon/idw mix - Maybe
TM Megatron - Kingdom retool - compromised for combiner - probably pass
Walmart subline: All maybes aside from Slash who is a pickup
Corrupted Autobot Capsule - Pass
There was no precedent for two lines at once either. The whole thing was uncharted territory.
Yeah, Forward wasn't going to be the one who helmed any hypothetical MW show anyway. I get that.
But this attitude of "stupid 1997 fans asking about a MW show" comes off rather poorly, in my opinion.
Like... who goes to conventions? People in their 20s at the youngest because you need some degree of financial independence and freedom of movement to go to these things. The people who wouldn't have cared much about "muh G1" were pre-teen kids at the time and not going to this sort of thing.
So the majority of people going to BotCon in 1997 are people who grew up with G1, and were likely excited that vehicle based Transformers were back on the shelves, even if the execution wasn't what they expected.
These folks excited for the possibility that this line would have a show (like every previous line up until that point) don't come off as spoiled or irrational to me at all.
It made sense to think there might be a show, and why not ask the guy involved in Transformers shows currently? Even if he's not working on it he may know something.
Just seems like a lot of hindsight from twenty years later is being retroactively applied to mock people who had reasonable questions and assumptions in 1997.
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It was just LG, constantly following him around asking for it.
I was 10.It was just LG, constantly following him around asking for it.
Which makes it even funnier.