A Long Time Ago In a Galaxy Far, Far Away.... - Star Wars General Discussion

[Cybersnark]

Also didn't much like the Bix stuff. Why keep that info from Andor? What was she thinking?

As she said; the Rebellion needed Cassian. He was looking for an excuse to leave. If she'd told him why she was getting out, he absolutely would have gone with her --and who knows what would've happened or how many people would have died without him.

 

[Axaday]

There is a bit of a disconnect in Andor concerning the Death Star. I'm not sure Krennic ever became aware the Galen had put in an intentional flaw. There is no indication that he did. Tarkin wasn't aware of it. He found out in the final moments of his life and the Death Star staff seem to have discovered it independently when they saw what the Rebels were trying to do.

It stands to reason that you want to keep the plans secret even if you don't know there is an intentional flaw. Sure. But Andor dwells a little much on keeping the very existence of it a secret and that just days from being fully operational. They MIGHT have been able to keep it a secret after Jedha, but they revealed it themselves on Scarif when they probably didn't need to. Even then, they could say the Rebels were lying. But when they blew up Alderaan everyone is going to know and I think they WANTED everyone to know. So some of that comes a bit weird to me.

 

[Donocropolis]

There is a bit of a disconnect in Andor concerning the Death Star. I'm not sure Krennic ever became aware the Galen had put in an intentional flaw. There is no indication that he did. Tarkin wasn't aware of it. He found out in the final moments of his life and the Death Star staff seem to have discovered it independently when they saw what the Rebels were trying to do.

It stands to reason that you want to keep the plans secret even if you don't know there is an intentional flaw. Sure. But Andor dwells a little much on keeping the very existence of it a secret and that just days from being fully operational. They MIGHT have been able to keep it a secret after Jedha, but they revealed it themselves on Scarif when they probably didn't need to. Even then, they could say the Rebels were lying. But when they blew up Alderaan everyone is going to know and I think they WANTED everyone to know. So some of that comes a bit weird to me.

I don't know if there's really a disconnect there. Alderann was the "official unveiling" of the Death Star. It was the moment that the Empire showed every planet what would happen to them if they didn't fall in line.

But until the very moment that the Death Star was operational and the Empire knew for sure it would work, it was a liability. Imagine if the galaxy at large found out about it when it was 90% complete but not yet working. That would have been a HUGE impetuous for anyone who was unhappy with the Empire to suddenly go from being willing to keep their head down in the hopes of an eventual improvement in conditions to actively fighting against the Empire. There would be a lot of pressure to destroy the thing before it could destroy you.

 

[Cybersnark]

But when they blew up Alderaan everyone is going to know and I think they WANTED everyone to know.

As Tarkin openly said: "Dantooine is far too remote to make an effective demonstration."

The whole point of the Death Star was to create fear; you can't do that unless everyone knows about it.

 

[Fero McPigletron]

Jung getting killed was just unfair to him. He gave up important info and Luthen just discarded him. Bad precedent for anyone who tries to help the Rebellion.

Still bugs me tho that the Jung 'info' wasn't an actual linchpin that started everything. Klaya didn't get a say and show ended with Andor leaving cuz someone requested to meet him. Nothing proactive from the info Jung gave.

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Different opinion but Bix leaving so Andor could be a hero is weird. So it's bad to fight for your own happiness? Bix was his happiness so her leaving meant he had nothing to fight for. If it was the baby tho, she could have aborted it if she thought it would mess with Andor's mental state. I'd figure he'd fight harder if he knew he had a family.

 

[Donocropolis]

Jung getting killed was just unfair to him. He gave up important info and Luthen just discarded him. Bad precedent for anyone who tries to help the Rebellion.

It is unfair, and killing him was, no matter how prudent, morally wrong. But Luthen wasn't a hero, and he knew that as well as anybody.

 

[Steevy Maximus]

I don't know if there's really a disconnect there. Alderann was the "official unveiling" of the Death Star. It was the moment that the Empire showed every planet what would happen to them if they didn't fall in line.

But until the very moment that the Death Star was operational and the Empire knew for sure it would work, it was a liability. Imagine if the galaxy at large found out about it when it was 90% complete but not yet working. That would have been a HUGE impetuous for anyone who was unhappy with the Empire to suddenly go from being willing to keep their head down in the hopes of an eventual improvement in conditions to actively fighting against the Empire. There would be a lot of pressure to destroy the thing before it could destroy you.

And in context, even though the Death Star did fire on planets before Alderann, Alderann was the first "full power" shot. And when it comes to the other two firings:
Jedha was a backwater full of ruins and a religious cult. In addition, the Empire was already well established so they could have easily prevented any survivors from leaving (the Rebels had a strike craft that was prepared to flee).
Scariff was a major Imperial Installation, with major space defenses. Besides a few scattered Rebel ships, a majority of the Rebel fleet was decimated. Any other witnesses would have been Imperial crew, which Tarkin would have been MORE than capable of keeping under wraps.
As is, in fiction, you're looking at maybe a couple days between from the attack on Jedha and Scarif and the destruction of Alderann.

 

[Ultra Magnus13]

Jung getting killed was just unfair to him. He gave up important info and Luthen just discarded him. Bad precedent for anyone who tries to help the Rebellion.

Still bugs me tho that the Jung 'info' wasn't an actual linchpin that started everything. Klaya didn't get a say and show ended with Andor leaving cuz someone requested to meet him. Nothing proactive from the info Jung gave.

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Different opinion but Bix leaving so Andor could be a hero is weird. So it's bad to fight for your own happiness? Bix was his happiness so her leaving meant he had nothing to fight for. If it was the baby tho, she could have aborted it if she thought it would mess with Andor's mental state. I'd figure he'd fight harder if he knew he had a family.

I've taken a more generous view of Luthen killing him. Jungs primary concern was his families safety. Killing him was Luthens best chance at securing his family's safety.

Bix knew Andors focus was split between her and the Rebellion. The arc before the one that has her leaving, focuses on Andors being distracted, and making mistakes to protect her. By leaving him she took the choice off the table for him, all he had left was the rebellion.

 

[Axaday]

I've taken a more generous view of Luthen killing him. Jungs primary concern was his families safety. Killing him was Luthens best chance at securing his family's safety.

I think that is drawing a little more out of it than there is. I'm not sure what the other fork in the road looks like. I think it was Lonni's death that actually alerted them to the fact that Stardust was leaked. I don't know what would have been different if he had been spirited away. I'm not sure Luthen and Lonni could walk anywhere together. Maybe Lonni could have gone with Luthen immediately and gone to the safe house with Kleya and been smuggled away.

Luthen just doesn't do loose ends and for an hour at least Lonni would have been one. He needed to get to the shop and destroy the computer and then get to his ship and rescue Kleya and I think he just could not immediately see a path where Lonni didn't make it more complicated and he wasn't sure Lonni would know what he had to do if he did get caught. What he had JUST done was possibly lead ISB straight to Luthen. Showing a woman with a red headed kid in the end montage would have been a nice touch, but maybe it would have been enough later that audiences wouldn't have known who they were.

 

[Axaday]

But until the very moment that the Death Star was operational and the Empire knew for sure it would work, it was a liability. Imagine if the galaxy at large found out about it when it was 90% complete but not yet working. That would have been a HUGE impetuous for anyone who was unhappy with the Empire to suddenly go from being willing to keep their head down in the hopes of an eventual improvement in conditions to actively fighting against the Empire. There would be a lot of pressure to destroy the thing before it could destroy you.

It wasn't 90% complete. It was 99.99% complete. We don't even know what the last holdup was, right? It fired a couple days after Krennic hurried to Coruscant to talk to Dedra. The scenes were very good, but I just have a hard time buying.

 

[Donocropolis]

It wasn't 90% complete. It was 99.99% complete. We don't even know what the last holdup was, right? It fired a couple days after Krennic hurried to Coruscant to talk to Dedra. The scenes were very good, but I just have a hard time buying.

That is true, but I also would guess that "the Emperor VERY MUCH wants this kept secret until he's ready" is the only thing that everyone further down the pecking order, including Krennic, needs to know to take it very seriously. The logic of the real-world consequences isn't important compared to the very personal consequences of visibly failing at a task that the Emperor is serious about.

 

[Axaday]

Tarkin is what you gotta worry about.