I thought Suicide Squad was DC's attempt at a Guardians of the Galaxy?
Thunderbolts*
- Thread starter SHIELD Agent 47
- Start date
Suicide Squad 2016 ended up cut to pieces in a sad attempt to remake it into a an unholy fusion of Guardians of the Galaxy and Deadpool after it was already finished.
Shame of it is that it may have been good as originally intended but nah... we'll never know.
Suicide Squad 2021 however was directed by the Guardians of the Galaxy guy and made an R... and it seems to have been much more critically acclaimed.
So it's a real dogs chasing each other in circles situation. The original SS was chasing Marvel movies before the sequel decided to just do its own thing, and now Marvel is gonna try and copy that.
That James Gunn is intimately involved in both sides of this doesn't help.
Man, I hope Superman is good.
I hope Superman is good too. I'm not actually wild about Gunn's writing always focusing on found family as a theme.
---
I see news that they're changing posters in the USA that spoil Thunderbolts. That kinda bites. But I guess it WOULD draw people in to watching it, which would be a good thing because it is worth watching.
How long before we can discuss stuff without spoiler tags?
---
I see news that they're changing posters in the USA that spoil Thunderbolts. That kinda bites. But I guess it WOULD draw people in to watching it, which would be a good thing because it is worth watching.
How long before we can discuss stuff without spoiler tags?
Saw Thunderbolts* yesterday, and immensely enjoyed it. Florence Pugh killed it (Yelena), but she does that in almost everything she's in, so no shock there, and it's always great to see her. David Harbour (Red Guardian) was an absolute treat, which I absolutely expected from the trailers, and he definitely delivered. I also really enjoyed Sebastian Stan, Hannah John-Kamen, Wyatt Russell, Geraldine Viswanathan, and Julia Louis-Dreyfus. They were all great.
However, the surprise standout for me was Lewis Pullman (Bob), who was pitch-perfect at every point. Bob resonated with me in a way that is very uncommon in superhero fare, and in a way I had not really experienced since Avengers: Endgame, but it did so with more depth and maturity, and as such it did a much better job in that regard.
Overall, I loved it and can't recommend it highly enough.
However, the surprise standout for me was Lewis Pullman (Bob), who was pitch-perfect at every point. Bob resonated with me in a way that is very uncommon in superhero fare, and in a way I had not really experienced since Avengers: Endgame, but it did so with more depth and maturity, and as such it did a much better job in that regard.
Overall, I loved it and can't recommend it highly enough.
Last edited:
The part that put a lump in my throat was
I forget the actual words but I think it's the first time it was admitted. He wanted it so much but it wasn't even real and there was resistance. It was a touching follow up from the lead in movie.
where were you, dad? I thought you didn't want me around. Of course, I wanted you around, you're my father.
Yelena's breakdown was the part that first broke me as well. Like the whole last 30 minutes was just me and my partner clutching hands and crying - but that's the part that hit me the hardest. That's twice a Florence Pugh scene has made me cry in movies I wasn't expecting it to. (Other was Puss in Boots: The Last Wish)
I wanted to go see this for my birthday, but the state of things is... making it unlikely. =\
Watch it when you can! Hehe
---
Screw me! I looked at some comments from videos and, gosh dang, there's a missed comic reference!
The
---
Screw me! I looked at some comments from videos and, gosh dang, there's a missed comic reference!
The
name of de Fontaine's awesome assistant is Mel! Her supposed full name is Melissa Gold! That's the name of Songbird, one of the original comic Thunderbolts! She was basically another Thunderbolt in the movie! Holy cow!!! I collected Thunderbolts from Buseik to Nicieza's run and Songbird is one of my faves (next to Fixer. And Meteorite Moonstone. And Mach-1234) so that's so freaking cool!!!
Saw Thunderbolts* this past weekend and really enjoyed it. Outside of Guardians Vol. 3, its my favorite MCU movie to release post-Endgame (with Loki being the only series post-Endgame that I liked more).
What I really enjoyed was how real and grounded the characters felt. To me, this is especially impressive given that all of the main characters came from projects that I could not care less about (Ant-Man & The Wasp, Black Widow, Falcon & the Winter Soldier.)
There were some things I didn't love, but it was a solid 4/5 for me.
What I really enjoyed was how real and grounded the characters felt. To me, this is especially impressive given that all of the main characters came from projects that I could not care less about (Ant-Man & The Wasp, Black Widow, Falcon & the Winter Soldier.)
There were some things I didn't love, but it was a solid 4/5 for me.
One of my faves, too, so I sure hope so.
Finally got to see this last night. Already had the two ending twists spoiled for me ahead of time. Marvel's been spoiling their books, I guess I shouldn't be surprised they'd do the same for their movies, too.
I rather enjoyed it. I think I like Yelena more than Natasha, FWIW.
And this is the most enjoyable I think I've ever found US Agent. Yeah, he's still a jerk, but at least now he's a jerk with some charm.
On a similar note, Bob is probably the best he's ever been, too.
One interesting thing I noticed in this movie:
Originally, Steven Yuen was cast to play Bob in Thunderbolts* before departing the movie due to scheduling conflicts.
Originally, Steven Yuen was cast to play Bob in Thunderbolts* before departing the movie due to scheduling conflicts.
At like three or four points near the end of the movie, they say that Bob is invincible, enough that it stood out to me. I wonder if the script might have been written when Steven Yuen was still attached, and those lines served as a nod to his role as Invincible.
Saw a post that said Thunderbolts isn't doing well and I checked wiki. It's been a few weeks already and it has 360m versus its 18m budget. So it's really failing? That bites!
Oh, everything that doesn't bring in Endgame money these days is a failure...
Unless the marketing budget was unusually low (possible) and theaters are getting an unusually low cut (possible, but why?) the numbers don't look good to me.
Wikipedia for me says $180 million budget and $328.1 million made. Conservative estimates say you need to double the film budget to factor in advertising and promotion, which means it would need $360 million to break even. And we're past the point where Disney/Marvel is getting the insane majority of ticket sale money so reaching that $360 million might be a slog.
It may still end up making a bit of cash, but it's not a runaway hit, no.
Last edited:
And even if the film does break even, that doesn't mean the studio breaks even. Theaters aren't doing this for free. They get some of that cash.
Oh dang, you're right! I got my numbers mixed up cuz I was also thinking that they had to double their budget and I just thought 180x2 in my head and put it down instead of what I saw in the wiki, haha
I read somewhere that Kevin Fiege will no longer be producing Disney mini series cuz he doesn't want the audience to do 'homework' before watching the main movies.
But the numbers on Thunderbolts doesn't make it likely that they'll make another movie (not like Guardians) and I guess no more TV show for the 18 months when they carried the new name, aw
That revelation on Fiege's part is a bit too late in the game...
Thunderbolts* not doing super well despite being a pretty fun movie reminds me of the WWE from 2019-2022. So cold that even stuff that's promising isn't catching on. And like the WWE, the MCU may need a change at the tippy top to really get out of the funk, creatively speaking.
Last edited: