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LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
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Galvaplexia

Your poison.😘🏳️‍⚧️
Citizen
"Beep bleep bleep beep boop."
"You all gripe about the dubbing but trust me, the way the minicons swear it would be SO MUCH WORSE if we didn't censor those lines..."
In my headcanon all the Mini-Cons do is swear. If I were in their place going through what they go through daily as their entire prescribed purpose, all I’d do is swear too.
 

Jackpot

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Citizen
Speaking of some great fights, though, it wasn't a final battle, but it could have been...

Nice! And it's not just a well-done fight, but the rendering and framing are great too. Like, this shot is gorgeous:

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Even a better dub would have precious little to work with in those scenes: long stretches pass without anyone actually talking, and when they do, it's a few syllables of mouth-flap. The camera lingers on Nemesis Prime for long stretches, during which all he has is animalistic growls and the occasional evil laugh and/or roar. It takes a long time for anyone to do anything; it's like they're fighting underwater. And this is an action scene, which is meant to be exciting and dramatic.

And, again, that was Armada. Energon is more of the same style, but with writers who seem to have just given up and played mad libs with "You serious?" and "Uhhh?!". Even the good parts (again, put on higher and higher pedestals until one actually rewatches them and recalibrates that expectation to This Was Okay, It Wasn't Gibberish Yet) were hampered by the dub format and the writing.
I wonder what could be accomplished with some serious editing. Like, multiple episodes combined or just done away with entirely, with a liberal approach to fidelity to the original narrative. With enough condensing, could the raw material be turned into something worthwhile?

I also wonder, forgetting about the existing cartoons entirely, could another story be told with the same gimmicks and cast that makes the whole trilogy more cohesive and interesting? Furman's DW comics were shaping up to be something like that - not without problems, but at least in the hands of a writer with basic competence.

Just one minor tweak... Done!
Excellent.
 

lastmaximal

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Council of Elders
Citizen
I wonder what could be accomplished with some serious editing. Like, multiple episodes combined or just done away with entirely, with a liberal approach to fidelity to the original narrative. With enough condensing, could the raw material be turned into something worthwhile?

I also wonder, forgetting about the existing cartoons entirely, could another story be told with the same gimmicks and cast that makes the whole trilogy more cohesive and interesting? Furman's DW comics were shaping up to be something like that - not without problems, but at least in the hands of a writer with basic competence.

I have often wondered the first thing myself. The available footage probably would support it, as it gives copious "raw" material for a massive cutdown and reworking akin to how Saban reworked and restitched Zyuranger into MMPR. Revisiting that series more recently with an eye toward production rather than content has been fun, especially when I discovered and read up on shot-for-shot "stock footage usage" tracking that's been done. But it would require a not-insignificant amount of rewriting and redubbing in any case. Still, might be worthwhile. Lot of fun concepts and characters there to do stuff with.

The second point: at the time I'd almost entirely checked out of the Transformers shows for reasons we've discussed here (and because, in those bygone days, it wasn't nearly as easy or reliable or safe to get to watch them in the first place). What filled that void was prose fan fiction by DragonTail, published on the old Allspark board. It's not quite what you asked, depending on how strict you want to be with "same gimmicks and cast" (it's definitely a whole 'nother story) but I feel it was more satisfying for it. It was mostly connected to both the characters and the UT plot as a whole in broad strokes only, but it was by a writer with far more than basic competence.

It more or less uses Transformers Cybertron as the main setting (Vector Prime, Cyber Planet Keys, colony planets) with toys from across the UT and sorta-contemporary lines (Armada Thundercracker, Energon Rodimus, Universe Swerve, Energon Bulkhead) as either G1-ized versions of their UT/etc counterparts with some repurposing (Swerve, Arcee, Energon SWAT Prowl as Nightbeat) or wholly new characters not based on their UT counterparts (Bulkhead, Sharkticon). The series starts somewhat in medias res (more or less at the top of Cybertron) after Megatron steals the map and Vector Prime arrives, and the teams depart for the colony planets. It was very refreshing to encounter some exploration of the lore that was quite competently written, with interesting character dynamics and repurposings that mostly worked. I don't think I've had the same level of commitment to reading fanfic since.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

Broke the Matrix
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Council of Elders
Citizen
Sorry about that, I would recomend starting off halfway through the episode or the whole episode for that matter, but if you want to see what I was talking about, start at 19:40.
Ah, got it! Thanks!

Yeah, that was pretty good. XD

"Polly wanna Powerlink?"

As for Energon... that's always a weird one for me. Other than select moments/scenes (I especially love the final credits and the bit preceding it, at least in the Super Link version), I have never rewatched it and never plan to, but... I don't regret it?

It's a series I'm happy to have seen once, and happier to leave it at that.

But there was enough interesting stuff going on throughout. Moments. Character designs and quirks.

Hell, we got the return of/a new Rodimus Prime (screw you, Hasbro, if he was Convoy in Japan, he can be Prime here) with some cool ideas. I can't be mad at that!

Some nice 2D animation in a couple of rare instances...


I would definitely say if you're the type with an imagination, a burning creativity, then it provides a lot of fodder for something like Jackpot suggested.

It's a lot of "what ifs" for someone to take advantage of.

I think I'm happy to have watched it, taken what positives there are from it, noted the negatives, and just adding that knowledge to my collective memory of Transformers lore. In that way, it's valuable to me.
 


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