Transformers: One - New Animated Prequel coming September 20th, 2024 - New Toy Official Images!

LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
Not to mention the fact it got sandwiched between Beetlejuice Beetljuice and The Wild Robot.


So, you're saying we need a Transformers movie made by Studio Ghibli to get western audiences to take it seriously as an animated movie. ;)
I'd prefer Studio Trigger but SG couldn't hurt!
 

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
Citizen
TFO was a prequel to a story that hadn't been told yet. For us longtime fans who know where things are inevitably going, it's a good film, but to casual audiences used to the Bay films, it's too disconnected.
 

Andrusi

Lun!
Citizen
TFONE was a waste. I'm sorry. Good word of mouth didn't save it because the praise amounted to "The characters all have personalities for once" and "The plot doesn't have a bunch of weird gaps in it for once."

I've said for a while, I think just about the weakest praise you can give to something you like is "it doesn't suck like that other thing."
 

Stepwise

...even Team Whirl.
Citizen
Question that's way off to the side of the rest of the current conversation, but did anyone ever explain how the transforming magically-appearing-in-thin-air roads worked? Or were they just a cool visual? (Or did I ask this one already, because that's a possibility . . . )
 

Sabrblade

Continuity Nutcase
Citizen
Question that's way off to the side of the rest of the current conversation, but did anyone ever explain how the transforming magically-appearing-in-thin-air roads worked? Or were they just a cool visual? (Or did I ask this one already, because that's a possibility . . . )
Probably the same way they did so in the War For Cybertron video game.

If I had to guess, I'd say "programmable matter".
 

Andrusi

Lun!
Citizen
Cybertronian city planners really liked that one segment of Heat Man's stage.
If they'd only had the Item #2, it would have made it so much easier...
 

CoffeeHorse

Hanging in there
Staff member
Council of Elders
Citizen
I used to be a gamer. Then poverty struck. The last new console I bought was a PS2. I probably could do PC gaming now, but I can't get past the shock of how big today's games are. The file size is WHAT? Realistically I have room, but it's a mental block. I remember when an 8MB memory card felt ridiculously extravagant.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

Broke the Matrix
Staff member
Council of Elders
Citizen
Compounding things is that animation in the west is still viewed as a "kiddie" medium. Call it unfair but it is what it is.
I'm... skeptical.

I'm sure there are some boomers out there who will go to the grave with that thinking, among other outdated notions, but this is a part of the world where American Dad has been on the air for 21 years, Family Guy for 27, The Simpsons for 37, copious numbers of Adult Swim shows in the mainstream for however long, and various others as well.

If people still consider all that "kiddie", then the bar for what must be considered "mature" must be so high it can't be viewed from ground level without a telescope.
 

Superomegaprime

Wondering bot
Citizen
I used to be a gamer. Then poverty struck. The last new console I bought was a PS2. I probably could do PC gaming now, but I can't get past the shock of how big today's games are. The file size is WHAT? Realistically I have room, but it's a mental block. I remember when an 8MB memory card felt ridiculously extravagant.

That's what it means to be old, you remember things, for example, back when I was still in school, after school, I would go arcoss the road to a nearby shop and could buy some pick and mix sweets for pennies, theses days about the cheepest thing you can buy is a plastic bag for 40p, a couple of years ago, they use to be 10p but the price has risen since then, so it makes you long for the days when things weren't so expensive and the world was a much simplier place, but then the missions to the moon, back in the 70s, they had computers that required a lot of hardware and these days, the same level of processing power is now in the palm of your hand in the form of your phone, if not more, so techonlgy has moved on quite a bit, I remember storing stuff on floppy disks, so times have changed, sadly!
 

Steamed Hams

Well-known member
Citizen
Twenty years ago began with the successors to the PS2, we saw $599 consoles with games featuring battles accurate to history with giant enemy crabs on one side, we saw the red ring of death kill a fairly decent console on the other, and the third was punching above their weight with software despite naming their console after a bodily function.
 

Sabrblade

Continuity Nutcase
Citizen
I'm... skeptical.

I'm sure there are some boomers out there who will go to the grave with that thinking, among other outdated notions, but this is a part of the world where American Dad has been on the air for 21 years, Family Guy for 27, The Simpsons for 37, copious numbers of Adult Swim shows in the mainstream for however long, and various others as well.

If people still consider all that "kiddie", then the bar for what must be considered "mature" must be so high it can't be viewed from ground level without a telescope.
Those are considered exceptions to the norm because they're crass.

Western animation can be divided into two categories for how they are viewed:
  • "Animation for adults": lowbrow comedies and/or graphically violent works that rely on swearing, vulgar humor, excessive blood/gore, or other child-unfriendly subjects to amuse older audiences; anything that isn't a comedy or graphic isn't considered part of this group.
  • "Literally everything else": Which is still stigmatized as being primarily for children regardless of how any of it is written or performed; if it's safe enough for a child to watch, then it's considered "kiddie".
It's unfair and borderline prejudiced, but that's the nature of the beast.

It's like how people still turn their noses up at Disney because they think it's nothing but princesses and musicals for babies. And it's why Disney keeps remaking their animated films in live action, because audiences see live action and think "Oh, these are the serious and grownup versions of those kiddie cartoon movies! That's more like it!" :cautious:
 
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Sabrblade

Continuity Nutcase
Citizen
It wouldn't be as much of an issue if people weren't afraid of enjoying "kiddie stuff" as adults like CS Lewis called people out on way back when. The more things change...
And that scripture that C.S. Lewis's quote was in response to, about how adults should put away "childish things", is so often misinterpreted as referring to "everything and anything from one's childhood", including such things as kindness, innocence, compassion, wonderment, or even the notions of learning and following rules. So many young folks think that once they become adults (or even teenagers because being a teen is "close enough"), they can just discard whatever they learned and did as a child, when the whole point of people being educated while they're young is so they can take what they learned in their childhood and apply those lessons and knowledge to their adulthood. And those who do properly realize that are often derided as "squares", "losers", "sheep", and the like, by the more toxic crowd who think playing by their own rules is more manly and macho and adult-like. In a sense, this interpretation makes the concept of being "adult" and "mature" more childish than actually being a child.
 

LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
And that scripture that C.S. Lewis's quote was in response to, about how adults should put away "childish things", is so often misinterpreted as referring to "everything and anything from one's childhood", including such things as kindness, innocence, compassion, wonderment, or even the notions of learning and following rules. So many young folks think that once they become adults (or even teenagers because being a teen is "close enough"), they can just discard whatever they learned and did as a child, when the whole point of people being educated while they're young is so they can take what they learned in their childhood and apply those lessons and knowledge to their adulthood. And those who do properly realize that are often derided as "squares", "losers", "sheep", and the like, by the more toxic crowd who think playing by their own rules is more manly and macho and adult-like. In a sense, this interpretation makes the concept of being "adult" and "mature" more childish than actually being a child.
I remember being a kid and loving Pokemon. I gave it up when I got to be 13-14 because "that's kiddie stuff." Fast forward to me being 20 and staying up to 3 am playing Pokemon Fire Red 😅

Adolescence is a weird time. You're trying to figure out how to be an adult despite not yet being done with childhood, and your hormones are raging so EVERYTHING feels more important than it actually is.

Childhood psychology is a fascinating area, but the cruelest part of it is that no one's ever happy.
As a little kid you want to be a teen, because it's like being the best parts of being a kid and an adult and it seems cool.
As a teen you want to be an adult because you don't wanna be treated like a kid anymore and you assume you're ready for "real responsibilities."
As an adult you lament the loss of both your childhood and teenage years because you didn't have so many responsibilities. Everyone is caught in a cycle of wanting what they can't have and not appreciating what they do until it's too late.

The bigger issue is that the transition from childhood to adulthood is really a very messy, awkward journey and it's evolutionarily meant to be that way. Teens act out, mock what they once treasured as kids, and push boundaries because they're basically overgrown kids who finally have a chance to enter the adult world, but they don't understand what that entails. So they test limits, they mock, they jeer, they cycle through fads and identities like socks, all attempting to understand what adult society's limits are and what their place in it is.

Of course not everyone goes through the same stuff... some people maintain a rather balanced perspective through all of this... but it is messy and a disaster for most of us 😅
 

Sabrblade

Continuity Nutcase
Citizen
I remember being a kid and loving Pokemon.
I remember being a kid, loving Pokemon, and being surrounded by other kids my age who all thought "Pokey-man" was stupid.

Same with Power Rangers. During the awesome Post-Zordon Era when the show elevated to new heights of writing, action, and drama, other kids my age all called it "Potty Trainers".

None of us were teenagers yet, neither. All still right in the middle of elementary school.
 


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