Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread
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. . . . yeah pretty much. It is only after the pain is felt by those who thought all of this would happen to others that we will see true pushback and progress forward.
Yes, a whole lot of good and decent people will suffer. But that was going to happen anyway. The second Trump got the votes, they were fucked. Best make their sacrifice worthwhile.
Yes, a whole lot of good and decent people will suffer. But that was going to happen anyway. The second Trump got the votes, they were fucked. Best make their sacrifice worthwhile.
US deports French scientist after officials ‘find texts critical of Trump’
A French scientist was denied entry to the US after immigration officials found text messages that were critical of Donald Trump which they said “could be considered to be terrorism”.
Welp, you know what this means: time for the equivalent population of china to start jive posting trump 24/7.
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When you are in charge of a country and people who don't like you, but aren't fighting you, are working for your country, that is a win.US deports French scientist after officials ‘find texts critical of Trump’
A French scientist was denied entry to the US after immigration officials found text messages that were critical of Donald Trump which they said “could be considered to be terrorism”.www.yahoo.com
And now he's claiming he never signed the war measures act against the Venezuelan gangers.
Not surprising considering the legal issues surrounding that are quickly coming home to roost.
This is just Trump in a nutshell. If it works or he gets away with it, all part of the plan. Something goes wrong or there's an actual price to pay, he's hands off, had nothing to do with it, but appreciates the hard work of all involved.
Seriously, why does this man engender such loyalty? He is known for throwing everyone under the bus. Why would anyone trust him?!
This is just Trump in a nutshell. If it works or he gets away with it, all part of the plan. Something goes wrong or there's an actual price to pay, he's hands off, had nothing to do with it, but appreciates the hard work of all involved.
Seriously, why does this man engender such loyalty? He is known for throwing everyone under the bus. Why would anyone trust him?!
It's sorta the same reason goons keep working for the Joker. Sure, he might shoot you or get you beaten up by a guy in a bat mask, but he might also shower you with riches and rewards if you're loyal and the mood strikes him. The difference is that the Joker is mercurial and insane, while Trump is stupid and lazy. He's far less likely to notice people skimming off the top as long as he still gets the lion's share
You are talking about the actual henchmen? They want to be in the room where it happened.
It's weird. I've talked about it before, but to catch up. Rudy Giuliani has probably always essentially been the guy we see now. But in the right circumstances he was a hero laywer that took down the mob and then the mayor of NYC and very popular and not just, but the mayor during 9/11 who came out a hero. He was called Mayor of the World I think. If he had stayed retired, that would've been great. But he had to get involved again and now look at him. Trump used him up and he let him and now he's just ruined.
What will happen to Musk? I will admit to an oof. I didn't pay attention to the guy and other people were already aware of what kind of guy he was, but just however many years ago it was that he bought Twitter, I was surprised when people said he would reinstate Trump and I didn't think he would. I was impressed with the guy running so many forward-thinking businesses and apparently so smart and I had no idea about his politics or ickiness. I think it was reasonable to assume that the guy running Tesla and SpaceX was progressive. So when he reinstated Trump I first thought it was just about freedom or something, but soon found out, no he's into him. I am guessing a lot of people had no idea what he was like. So like Giuliani I'm not going to say it isn't his fault. But he fell in with Trump because he wanted to be in the room where it happened and now Tesla is nosediving and it's going to get worse for him, I think. If Tesla had actually been fine and this was just being done by angry liberals, it would be time to buy the stock, but the news is hitting at the same time that Tesla isn't really doing well anyway. Before he is done with Trump, he's likely to get sued for a lot of money like Giuliani and he'll be able to afford it, but it'll be a regrettable amount. Reasonably chance he gets criminal charges in 4-5 years that Trump won't be able to pardon and he'll be house-arrested a couple years. Was it worth it? Did he not have cool stuff to do?
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In Musk's case it's not just that he wants to be in the room where it happened, he wants to be the one doing it. And he is. Trump isn't exactly spending every day playing golf anymore, but he's still delegated an insane amount of work to this guy who doesn't even have an official Cabinet position.
It's also that Musk wants to be seen doing it. His ego is at least as bad as Trump's.
Which is the unfortunate paradox of large scale anything. Because it's such a prestigious position (or in musks case: directly adjacent to, and filling in for.) it's always going to be a famous position: and famous positions will always draw the unworthy for their own selfish ends.
But unless you want a dictatorship: you also can't hide the person or the position. It needs to visible and transparent.
But unless you want a dictatorship: you also can't hide the person or the position. It needs to visible and transparent.
"The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
- Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
- Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
It is really a fascinating pair. I have not worked out in my head how Trump can tolerate sharing the spotlight with a man half his age, who people other than himself say is a genius, who is 70 times as wealthy as him. He outclasses Trump in every metric. Trump started up a social media platform that he hoped was going to be the premiere one and then Elon just bought one on a lark for 10 times as much money as Trump has and it's had a hard time, but it still has 100 times as many members as Trump's does. I would have predicted that would burn Trump up. They are actual direct competitors here and Musk is beating him.
It is also fascinating that the most famous thing Trump hated about Barack Obama was that he supposedly wasn't a natural born citizen. (Like Trump's current wife). But he doesn't mind giving broad operational authority to a man who wasn't a natural born citizen.
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It feels kinda strange, maybe totally anachronistic, that Cabinet posts have to be confirmed by the Senate. The Constitution wrote about a much more limited executive, I suppose, that would be managing things day to day, but pretty under the thumb of Congress. Now it is weird. They could decide not to put a guy who can hardly speak, whose brain has been eaten by another animal, and who espouses anti-medical rhetoric in charge of the Department of Health and Human Services, but I'm not sure what the point is. They aren't getting a guy that isn't going to do what Trump wants, in general. And I'm actually a little surprised he even submitted his nominations. Maybe just for ceremony's sake. First term by the end he had quite a few acting Secretaries and publicly commented that he preferred that because he didn't have to get them approved. But even after you get your whole cabinet approved, you can hire anyone to be your advisor. Bannon. Musk. Those people will wind up telling any department what to do. So why does the Senate need to grill the Transportation nominee? What about them as a person is really going to be the important thing?
It is also fascinating that the most famous thing Trump hated about Barack Obama was that he supposedly wasn't a natural born citizen. (Like Trump's current wife). But he doesn't mind giving broad operational authority to a man who wasn't a natural born citizen.
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It feels kinda strange, maybe totally anachronistic, that Cabinet posts have to be confirmed by the Senate. The Constitution wrote about a much more limited executive, I suppose, that would be managing things day to day, but pretty under the thumb of Congress. Now it is weird. They could decide not to put a guy who can hardly speak, whose brain has been eaten by another animal, and who espouses anti-medical rhetoric in charge of the Department of Health and Human Services, but I'm not sure what the point is. They aren't getting a guy that isn't going to do what Trump wants, in general. And I'm actually a little surprised he even submitted his nominations. Maybe just for ceremony's sake. First term by the end he had quite a few acting Secretaries and publicly commented that he preferred that because he didn't have to get them approved. But even after you get your whole cabinet approved, you can hire anyone to be your advisor. Bannon. Musk. Those people will wind up telling any department what to do. So why does the Senate need to grill the Transportation nominee? What about them as a person is really going to be the important thing?
Maybe we should be grateful then. Trump has managed to get himself elected twice, but Musk is totally incapable.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin helped broker that match. Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber are now speedrunning the collapse of the American experiment faster than Putin could’ve dreamed back in 2016.
The difference is that Musk and Ivanka are white.
Because acting heads of departments are supposed to have limited power and responsibility, and the senate grilling candidates is to, in part, make sure they're actually capable of doing the damn job and are loyal to the country and constitution and not the ideology, agenda or individual.
But no good faith operation from republicans, so the system fails.