The Random Image Thread

[wonko the sane?]

Because some people are expressing their opinions (which can be quite powerful.) in regard to AI art.

But you DO make a good point: we should start crediting ALL the artists when applicable.

 

[Dake]

It's just a bit disingenuous for it to suddenly be an issue here. Historically, the Random Image Thread has been just that - random. While I agree that art should typically be credited wherever it originates, I've never seen this particular thread as that kind of place. Are we going to start having credits for memes too? Seems only "fair". People aren't posting things here for any reason beyond, "Look at this random pic I found". Self-Destruct's noodling around with AI to draw their character is not taking money away from hard-working artists somewhere - they just wouldn't have that picture.

Now, the Iacon Art Institute thread? Sure.

[Credit: Nute Gunray, voiced by Tom Kenny
Star Wars the Phantom Menace 1999, 20th Century Fox (Disney),
Written by George Lucas ... Directed by George Lucas ... Produced by George Lucas ... executive producer Rick McCallum ... producer (produced by)Music by John Williams ... (music by)Cinematography by David Tattersall ... director of photographyEditing by Ben Burtt ... (edited by)Paul Martin Smith ... (edited by)Casting By Robin Gurland ... (casting by)Production Design by Gavin Bocquet Art Direction by Phil Harvey Fred Hole John King Rod McLean Peter Russell ... supervising art directorSet Decoration by Peter Walpole Costume Design by Trisha Biggar Makeup Department Sallie Adams ... makeup artist: second unitJan Archibald ... hair stylist: Liam NeesonHajer Bouhawala ... makeup assistant: Tunisia (as Hager Bouhaouala)Paul Engelen ... makeup department head Darlene Forrester ... hair stylist Richard Glass ... contact lens optician Hilary Haines ... hair stylist: second unit Shaune Harrison ... animatronic effects designerMelissa Lackersteen ... makeup artist Sarah Love ... hair stylist Sue Love ... hair department head Chris Lyons ... special effects teeth Trefor Proud ... makeup artist: second unit Morag Ross ... makeup artist: Liam Neeson Jemma Scott-Knox-Gore ... contact lens designer / contact lens technician Meg Speirs ... makeup artist Helen Taylor ... assistant hair stylistJulie White ... special makeup effects artist
Fay De Bremaeker ... crowd make up artist (uncredited) Simon Rose ... special makeup effects artist (uncredited)Danny Wagner ... special makeup effects artist (uncredited)Production Management Enrico Ballarin ... unit manager: Italy Sagar Bhanushali ... post-production executive (as Sagar.Bhanushali) (Stereoscopic Conversion) Michael Blanchard ... post-production supervisor David Brown ... production supervisor Jo Burn ... production manager Guido Cerasuolo ... production supervisor: Italy Debra K. Chinn ... international post production executive Philippa Day ... unit manager: Tunisia Jamie Forester ... post-production supervisor Peter Heslop ... production manager: Tunisia Jeremy Johns ... unit manager: Tunisia Mimoun Mahbouli ... unit manager: Tunisia (as Meimoun Mahbouli) Abdelaziz Ben Mlouka ... production supervisor: Tunisia Jeremy Pelzer ... unit manager Matthew Goodman ... post-production supervisor (US and Latin American release) (uncredited)Second Unit Director or Assistant Director Bernard Bellew ... second assistant director Andrea Boni ... third assistant director: Italy Roger Christian ... second unit director Dario Cioni ... second assistant director: Italy Deane De-Beger ... assistant director Nick Gillard ... fight unit director Nick Heckstall-Smith ... first assistant director: second unit Paul Higgins ... crowd assistant director Ben Howarth ... third assistant director Moez Kamoun ... first assistant director: Tunisia Christopher Newman ... first assistant director (as Chris Newman) Janet Nielsen ... third assistant director: second unit David Turchi ... first assistant director: Italy George Walker ... second assistant director: second unit Christopher Granier-Deferre ... second second assistant director (uncredited)Art Department Alex Aitken ... plasterer Astrig Akseralian ... art finisher Brian Aldridge ... dressing propman Jess Alexander ... junior modeler Karl Apsey ... supervising carpenter Leon Apsey ... assistant construction manager Christopher Arnold ... trainee set props
Marcia Bamgboye ... construction nurse Mohamed Bargaoui ... property master/buyer: Tunisia Ken Barley ... plasterer department head Robert E. Barnes ... concept sculptor (as Robert Barnes) Jim Barr ... propmaker Tom Barratt ... art department assistant: USA Amanda Bernstein ... assistant set decorator Charlotte Biggs ... construction secretary Mike Bishop ... draughtsman Brian Blues ... supervising carpenter Pierre Bohanna ... propmaker Livia Borgognoni ... art director: Italy (as Livia Borgononi) Alex Boswell ... dressing props Peter Brown ... carpenter David Bubb ... construction manager Sarah Bubb ... construction secretary Mark Buck ... plasterer Laura Burrows ... art department coordinator: UK Eddie Butler ... sculptor James Buxton ... carpenter Mat Campbell ... key greensman David Carter ... chargehand painter Christopher Challoner ... art department assistant: UK Kun Chang ... concept artist Bruce Cheesman ... dressing propman Doug Chiang ... design director (as Doug Chang) Jane Clark ... draughtsman (as Jane Clark Pearce) Kenneth Clarke ... supervising plasterer (as Ken Clarke) Dean Coldham ... plasterer Steve Court ... chargehand plasterer Paul Cross ... draughtsman Neil D'Monte ... concept artist John Davey ... painter department head Wayne Day ... chargehand carpenter Christian Debney ... props Mark Dowling ... painter Martin Duffy ... carpenter John Duncan ... concept model maker Billy Edwards ... prop making buyer Lee Edwards ... scenic painter Nicholas Eiloart ... greensman Sander Ellers ... propmaker Philip Elton ... draughtsman Ricky Eyres ... art director: second unit Corinna Farrow ... graphic designer (uncredited) Matthew Foster ... dressing propman Colin Fox ... drapesman Marc Gabbana ... concept artist: USA Michael Gardiner ... supervising plasterer James Gemmill ... scenic artist John Goodson ... concept model maker Simon Gosling ... props modeller: dailies Michael Guyett ... supervising scenic painter Shaune Harrison ... sculptor Tessa Harrison ... sculptor Toby Hawkes ... senior propmaker Bernie Hearn ... supervising standby propman (as Bernard Hearn) Daniel Hearn ... standby propman Paul Hearn ... dressing propman Kate Hill ... sculptor Oliver Hodge ... chargehand propmaker Frank Howe ... drapesman Mrtin Hubbard ... carpenter Michelle Hudd ... construction secretary Jonathan Hurst ... props storeman David Hynes ... stage hand... Continues]

 

[Dekafox]

Your "example" is also a bit disingenious, as crediting a small artist who is trying to survive off commissions(and people might actually want to throw money at) is far different than posting the entire movie credits for a 5 second clip where those people will not benefit in any way from said providing of credits as I doubt we can go commission, say, Leon Aspey to build something for us, and they do not need commissions to survive. Also 2D/3D art is different to Live Action, in that someone might post photographs of things too. (In before Dake posts a clip from Star Wars Christmas Special and proceeds to list the entire credits of that show.)

I also think it's fair that if you don't know the source(at least for this thread) of some random image on imgur ro reddit(to note a couple of the problem children) then you shouldn't also need to go on a 30 minute manhunt across the internet to find the original artist of an image.. at least for this thread. So I'd say credit the artist for the art where applicable and possible, as a courtesy. Or if you want to be lazy, just link your source. Cause everyone likes extra sauce.

And image tax:

(Pretty sure from here somewhere: https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/katalyst-pokemon-comics/list?title_no=835000 )

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

(In before Dake posts a clip from Star Wars Christmas Special and proceeds to list the entire credits of that show.)

I think most of the people involved with that would prefer to not be credited.

 

[Dekafox]

As an example of what I'm talking about with photographs:

Sauce: https://infosec.exchange/@da_667/112134919119726127

 

[Dake]

Ok so you listed your source, which is a random social media post of someone that cross posted it from a random twitter post. We are still none the wiser as to who created the image. A Google image search brings us to Know Your Meme page that links to a Reddit thread from seven years ago that also links to an Imgur post. In ALL of that, still know idea who the creator was.

Ultimately, if you know where something came from and want to include it - fine. But this demand to announce AI/nonAI on random, forgettable posts in a thread dedicated to random pictures is just tedious. The key is, no one here is claiming this stuff as their own creation. Meanwhile, if you see something you like, you can always ask the poster here where they found it and do the rest of the legwork yourself.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Okay, so hows about making citing of sources voluntary? Let the folks whom want to do it, and let everyone else just post as they please.

 

[Fenix Twilight]

I want a Kamen Rider version..... >.> <.<

For some reason Android Kikaider jumped to my mind, a series I have not thought about in years.

 

[3210Self-Destruct]

Yeesh. Kinda regretting that I started posting my stuff up.
But it’s not like regret has ever stopped me before.

[AI Art: Jagga-Dun, Who Lives In Soil]

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

 

[Kalidor]

For people who want to post ai art in the art forum I created the tag to do that. In the case of posting random images here I feel like if its "obviously ai" then it shouldn't need much more explanation than that. But if it's something that's ai trying to be passed off falsely as "real art" then don't lie about it, pretty much.

 

[Paladin]

 

[Dekafox]

After reading Kalidor's post, one thing that strikes me(and may be part of the whole issue here) is that the Iacon Art forum is a part of the -Transformers- section, which suggests it should used primarily for TF and TF-adjacent content. There's obviously no "general" art forum, and I don't recall any general art threads outside Mayhem, so this Random Image thread is the closest thing to that. Perhaps it's time that someone make one, more intended for sharing art(and with AI art tagged per Kalidor's comment above) and this thread is more for memes or other actual random stuff that we're not intending to present as art, per se? (Though that can be it's own kettle of fish I suppose...)

 

[CoffeeHorse]

Aah, gotcha. I def prefer to art drawn by people and do my own stuff, but I have poked with AI art a bit out of curiosity. Getting the prompts to do what you want can be tricky.

Here's one I did recently, something like "goggles and a coffee mug on a desk with dark lighting". I mean, I would've never thought it'd have the mug wearing the goggles, lol.

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Thanks for the labels. I always question/call out non-labeled AI art when I can spot it.

This is actually art at this point. This is as thought-provoking as anything a human surrealist could produce. It's just a machine interpreting a prompt, but it challenges us to wonder HOW it concluded this is what the prompt was asking for. What is it telling us about how language works versus how we think it works? The mind boggles.

 

[3210Self-Destruct]

After reading Kalidor's post, one thing that strikes me(and may be part of the whole issue here) is that the Iacon Art forum is a part of the -Transformers- section, which suggests it should used primarily for TF and TF-adjacent content. There's obviously no "general" art forum, and I don't recall any general art threads outside Mayhem, so this Random Image thread is the closest thing to that. Perhaps it's time that someone make one, more intended for sharing art(and with AI art tagged per Kalidor's comment above) and this thread is more for memes or other actual random stuff that we're not intending to present as art, per se? (Though that can be it's own kettle of fish I suppose...)

That is only part of the conundrum for me. I may set up something in the art gallery, but that would be after I compile some of the accompanying fiction. Mostly, I want to contribute to the thread, but I don’t acquire enough memes or photos to post those. So, AI generated non-earth individuals is my bag.

[Non-AI Image: When You See It…]

 

[Kalidor]

After reading Kalidor's post, one thing that strikes me(and may be part of the whole issue here) is that the Iacon Art forum is a part of the -Transformers- section, which suggests it should used primarily for TF and TF-adjacent content. There's obviously no "general" art forum, and I don't recall any general art threads outside Mayhem, so this Random Image thread is the closest thing to that. Perhaps it's time that someone make one, more intended for sharing art(and with AI art tagged per Kalidor's comment above) and this thread is more for memes or other actual random stuff that we're not intending to present as art, per se? (Though that can be it's own kettle of fish I suppose...)

The art forum does have a general tag though for general stuff rho.

 

[Dekafox]

Doesn't look like it's been used much... looking back I don't really see much non-TF stuff since 2022, so that may not be general knowledge(though that could just be me). Also what about stuff where you're not the creator - say you commissioned it? Or It's just some cool piece of art you found that you had no hand in its creation and want to share? The latter arguably does fit in here(and sounds like you should still tag it if you know?), but I'm not sure on the former(though at least on my part, I'm not sure if people outside Mayhem care to see the stuff I've commissioned anyways since it's typically not TF-related, and I do have my thread in Mayhem).

Also image tax:

(It's the cover to the Shadowrun 5e core book)

 

[electricidad]

That is only part of the conundrum for me. I may set up something in the art gallery, but that would be after I compile some of the accompanying fiction. Mostly, I want to contribute to the thread, but I don’t acquire enough memes or photos to post those. So, AI generated non-earth individuals is my bag.
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[Non-AI Image: When You See It…]

Help my brain here—what am I missing in this picture?

 

[Dake]

I'm assuming the dong on the electrical box?

 

[MEDdMI]

It's just a bit disingenuous for it to suddenly be an issue here. Historically, the Random Image Thread has been just that - random. While I agree that art should typically be credited wherever it originates, I've never seen this particular thread as that kind of place. Are we going to start having credits for memes too? Seems only "fair". People aren't posting things here for any reason beyond, "Look at this random pic I found". Self-Destruct's noodling around with AI to draw their character is not taking money away from hard-working artists somewhere - they just wouldn't have that picture.

Now, the Iacon Art Institute thread? Sure.

[Credit: Nute Gunray, voiced by Tom Kenny
Star Wars the Phantom Menace 1999, 20th Century Fox (Disney),
Written by George Lucas ... Directed by George Lucas ... Produced by George Lucas ... executive producer Rick McCallum ... producer (produced by)Music by John Williams ... (music by)Cinematography by David Tattersall ... director of photographyEditing by Ben Burtt ... (edited by)Paul Martin Smith ... (edited by)Casting By Robin Gurland ... (casting by)Production Design by Gavin Bocquet Art Direction by Phil Harvey Fred Hole John King Rod McLean Peter Russell ... supervising art directorSet Decoration by Peter Walpole Costume Design by Trisha Biggar Makeup Department Sallie Adams ... makeup artist: second unitJan Archibald ... hair stylist: Liam NeesonHajer Bouhawala ... makeup assistant: Tunisia (as Hager Bouhaouala)Paul Engelen ... makeup department head Darlene Forrester ... hair stylist Richard Glass ... contact lens optician Hilary Haines ... hair stylist: second unit Shaune Harrison ... animatronic effects designerMelissa Lackersteen ... makeup artist Sarah Love ... hair stylist Sue Love ... hair department head Chris Lyons ... special effects teeth Trefor Proud ... makeup artist: second unit Morag Ross ... makeup artist: Liam Neeson Jemma Scott-Knox-Gore ... contact lens designer / contact lens technician Meg Speirs ... makeup artist Helen Taylor ... assistant hair stylistJulie White ... special makeup effects artist
Fay De Bremaeker ... crowd make up artist (uncredited) Simon Rose ... special makeup effects artist (uncredited)Danny Wagner ... special makeup effects artist (uncredited)Production Management Enrico Ballarin ... unit manager: Italy Sagar Bhanushali ... post-production executive (as Sagar.Bhanushali) (Stereoscopic Conversion) Michael Blanchard ... post-production supervisor David Brown ... production supervisor Jo Burn ... production manager Guido Cerasuolo ... production supervisor: Italy Debra K. Chinn ... international post production executive Philippa Day ... unit manager: Tunisia Jamie Forester ... post-production supervisor Peter Heslop ... production manager: Tunisia Jeremy Johns ... unit manager: Tunisia Mimoun Mahbouli ... unit manager: Tunisia (as Meimoun Mahbouli) Abdelaziz Ben Mlouka ... production supervisor: Tunisia Jeremy Pelzer ... unit manager Matthew Goodman ... post-production supervisor (US and Latin American release) (uncredited)Second Unit Director or Assistant Director Bernard Bellew ... second assistant director Andrea Boni ... third assistant director: Italy Roger Christian ... second unit director Dario Cioni ... second assistant director: Italy Deane De-Beger ... assistant director Nick Gillard ... fight unit director Nick Heckstall-Smith ... first assistant director: second unit Paul Higgins ... crowd assistant director Ben Howarth ... third assistant director Moez Kamoun ... first assistant director: Tunisia Christopher Newman ... first assistant director (as Chris Newman) Janet Nielsen ... third assistant director: second unit David Turchi ... first assistant director: Italy George Walker ... second assistant director: second unit Christopher Granier-Deferre ... second second assistant director (uncredited)Art Department Alex Aitken ... plasterer Astrig Akseralian ... art finisher Brian Aldridge ... dressing propman Jess Alexander ... junior modeler Karl Apsey ... supervising carpenter Leon Apsey ... assistant construction manager Christopher Arnold ... trainee set props
Marcia Bamgboye ... construction nurse Mohamed Bargaoui ... property master/buyer: Tunisia Ken Barley ... plasterer department head Robert E. Barnes ... concept sculptor (as Robert Barnes) Jim Barr ... propmaker Tom Barratt ... art department assistant: USA Amanda Bernstein ... assistant set decorator Charlotte Biggs ... construction secretary Mike Bishop ... draughtsman Brian Blues ... supervising carpenter Pierre Bohanna ... propmaker Livia Borgognoni ... art director: Italy (as Livia Borgononi) Alex Boswell ... dressing props Peter Brown ... carpenter David Bubb ... construction manager Sarah Bubb ... construction secretary Mark Buck ... plasterer Laura Burrows ... art department coordinator: UK Eddie Butler ... sculptor James Buxton ... carpenter Mat Campbell ... key greensman David Carter ... chargehand painter Christopher Challoner ... art department assistant: UK Kun Chang ... concept artist Bruce Cheesman ... dressing propman Doug Chiang ... design director (as Doug Chang) Jane Clark ... draughtsman (as Jane Clark Pearce) Kenneth Clarke ... supervising plasterer (as Ken Clarke) Dean Coldham ... plasterer Steve Court ... chargehand plasterer Paul Cross ... draughtsman Neil D'Monte ... concept artist John Davey ... painter department head Wayne Day ... chargehand carpenter Christian Debney ... props Mark Dowling ... painter Martin Duffy ... carpenter John Duncan ... concept model maker Billy Edwards ... prop making buyer Lee Edwards ... scenic painter Nicholas Eiloart ... greensman Sander Ellers ... propmaker Philip Elton ... draughtsman Ricky Eyres ... art director: second unit Corinna Farrow ... graphic designer (uncredited) Matthew Foster ... dressing propman Colin Fox ... drapesman Marc Gabbana ... concept artist: USA Michael Gardiner ... supervising plasterer James Gemmill ... scenic artist John Goodson ... concept model maker Simon Gosling ... props modeller: dailies Michael Guyett ... supervising scenic painter Shaune Harrison ... sculptor Tessa Harrison ... sculptor Toby Hawkes ... senior propmaker Bernie Hearn ... supervising standby propman (as Bernard Hearn) Daniel Hearn ... standby propman Paul Hearn ... dressing propman Kate Hill ... sculptor Oliver Hodge ... chargehand propmaker Frank Howe ... drapesman Mrtin Hubbard ... carpenter Michelle Hudd ... construction secretary Jonathan Hurst ... props storeman David Hynes ... stage hand... Continues]

Simply putting "AI art" is TOTALLY the same as taking the time to find/link an artist and the source when you can. After all, anyone who can't immediately tell the difference b/t AI and not, well, that's their own fault. We should also just also stop any discussion b/c this is the RANDOM IMAGE thread, not the RANDOM IMAGE DISCUSSION thread. /s

Anyway, I already explained why I would like to have AI posts clearly labeled. I'm not even asking for the name/link of the AI generator you used. But yep, it's totally my fault for requesting this, ruining the thread, and making you post that passive aggressive response that skewed my request out of context.