THE KNOCK OFF TRANSFORMERS THREAD

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PrimalxConvoy

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Welcome to the Allspark's thread for all things Knockoff, 4P, KO, Bootleg and other non-official and non "third party" TFs.

Please feel free to post sightings, share news or chew the cud about this underground and (sometimes misunderstood) part of TF culture. To start the ball rolling, here are some resource links below to KO TFs and the wider world of knockoffs in general.

General KO Info
Tfwiki's (slightly outdated) article on KO TFs - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Knockoff

Teletran1's (equally outdated and possibly erroneous) article on KO TFs - https://transformers.fandom.com/wiki/Knockoff
A Brief History of KO G1 TFs
- https://youtu.be/Uz-mr8DkP40

Hasbro vs Sparkletoys Lawsuit (which was mentioned in the video above)
- https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/780/189/148570/

Transformers Rubsigns (Legal Protection Against Counterfeits) - http://www.jaredunzipped.com/2016/03/how-do-transformers-rubsign-stickers.html?m=1

Official Hasbro Rubsign Advert
- https://youtu.be/EjvgH3ueXkg

More Info on Rubsigns
- https://youtu.be/MvyIFbtHTos


Definition of "counterfeit consumer goods" - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfeit_consumer_goods
"...The colloquial term knockoff is often used interchangeably with counterfeit, although their legal meanings are not identical. Knockoff products are those that copy or imitate the physical appearance of other products but which do not copy the brand name or logo of a trademark. They may still be illegal under trademark laws if they confuse consumers. Counterfeiters can include producers, distributors or retail sellers. Pirated goods are reproductions of copyrighted products used without permission, such as music, movies or ssoftware Exact definitions depend on the laws of various countries...



Why KOs Are Legal:

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/c...er-goods-is-it-illegal-to-purchase-them-31573
"...the differences [between a knock-off and a counterfeit], a knockoff is just that: a cheap imitation. While the original manufacturer may not be happy about someone mimicking their design for a quick buck, it is generally not clearly illegal. As such, the buyer has little to worry about, and if they get tired of the item and decide to resell it, they will probably not have law enforcement kicking down their door..."


Why KOs are basically legal -

When KOs are better than the originals -

Hasbro/Takara Tomy's "Knockoff Vehicle" Transformers?
- https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Licensed_vehicle_alternate_modes
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Hasbro's Official TF Knockoff, "Jetfire":
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- https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...con-exclusive-transformers-toy-050000667.html

- https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Jetfire_(G1)/toys (See the "notes" section, at the bottom of the link's page)

Grey/Parallel Market Imported Products:

- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_market
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_import
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(Deals with issues, such as potentially lost sales of American products, by purchasing products imported from outside America instead, similar to buying imported Takara/Hasbro Asia TFs instead of Hasbro TFs in America. This is an oft-quoted argument against buying KO TFs too.)

Knockoff TF Manufacturer "Weijiang" "Closed" by Hasbro? - https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/2007232766/

How Companies Circumvent the Law to a Avoid Tarifs
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A video about the current (2022) state of KO MP TFs, plus some opinions as to why the uploader believes KO TFs are a good thing:

Knockoff TF Video Resources (Reviews, etc)






Knockoff MOTU Toy History -

KO Transformers Online Shops


 
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Ollie's currently has a rather large motorcycle-to-robot that appears to be an oversized knockoff of a Roadbot (I never got the Roadbots motorcycles, but it has the usual design elements). The motorcycle mode is about 1:8 or 1:6 scale, and the toy is $13-14.

---Dave
 

PrimalxConvoy

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Ollie's currently has a rather large motorcycle-to-robot that appears to be an oversized knockoff of a Roadbot (I never got the Roadbots motorcycles, but it has the usual design elements). The motorcycle mode is about 1:8 or 1:6 scale, and the toy is $13-14.

---Dave
Nice! Any pictures?
 

Dvandom

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Haven't gotten around to opening it yet. (My free time kinda fell into the black hole of "Inspired to write an entire TTRPG" last week.) I'll take pics once I do, and post them here.

ETA: Okay, it's made by Happywell, so it's not actually a Roadbots KO...just a different brand name, I guess. (Happywell made Roadbots too.)

---Dave
 
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PrimalxConvoy

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Haven't gotten around to opening it yet. (My free time kinda fell into the black hole of "Inspired to write an entire TTRPG" last week.) I'll take pics once I do, and post them here.

---Dave
Looking forward to them! Cheers!
 

Dvandom

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Transformation is far from perfect. A lot of places it felt like it was going to break, a fair amount of partforming, and you have to split the "trunk" in two along a seam, which feels like breaking it open entirely.

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Transformed and next to Voyager Wreck-Gar for comparison. Negligible articulation, nowhere to stick the shield chunks if you want to use the pistols that are under the windshield.

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The highly optimistic and flattering-camera-angle pics from the box.

---Dave
 

Dvandom

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Other notes: the tires are rubber and spin nicely. The kickstand is messed up in some way and the cycle falls over. It has Harley Davidson logos on it, may even be licensed, but there's no text to that effect on the package or in the (black and white line-art) instructions.

---Dave
 

PrimalxConvoy

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Transformation is far from perfect. A lot of places it felt like it was going to break, a fair amount of partforming, and you have to split the "trunk" in two along a seam, which feels like breaking it open entirely.

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Transformed and next to Voyager Wreck-Gar for comparison. Negligible articulation, nowhere to stick the shield chunks if you want to use the pistols that are under the windshield.

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The highly optimistic and flattering-camera-angle pics from the box.

---Dave
Nice! Thanks for sharing! Does it scale well with existing TFs?

Also, I just saw these OSKO Botbots available:

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Here's a link to them at Sirtoys:

- http://sirtoys.com/toys.php?q=Botbots

Sirtoys has also got a similarly styled (KO) "Hamburger Train Robot Combiner":

- http://sirtoys.com/toys.php?c=11&p=7011&t=Hamburg_Train_Robot.html
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