Also, people still have personal possessions and their own homes. Just how much they "own" anything legally is another matter. Perhaps they could live there as long as the wine, etc is "donated" to the masses?
Star Trek: Picard
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I think the "cultural heritage" angle feels right here for the chateau - basically like a museum or the equivalent of a national park, traditional vineyards run in the traditional way as a historical artifact. And if the current caretakers are willing to keep running it, as long as they do so properly to maintain its historical status, they get to keep doing so. And once the original owners give it up or no longer want to maintain it themselves, then it'll be run by volunteers who wish to learn about the traditions or keep it going. The Federation values expertise, so if they already have people running it who know how to run it and are doing a good job, no reason to replace them just because they happened to own it when owning it meant something monetarily.
Well, even in the leftmost forms of little-c communism, you'd still have personal possessions, like all of Picard's various memorabilia and the paintings and things. It's just that that's distinct from "private property" in the sense of real estate and tools of production, and the Chateau is obviously both of those things, so.
I think we might have to look beyond communism to understand the federation. ... only some of the colony planets had 'communes' and they were usually the bad guys of the episode. ..like the one where they put Sisko in a box
While that's not what communism means, the important thing is that Star Trek doesn't know either. (And it's an American show, so they can't use the C word in any form, though one character derogates the Federation as a "no-money, socialist utopia" in SNW.) I've never seen any sign of an attempt to explain the economy of the Federation, it's all shzhzhsh noises.
We see everything from a perspective inside Starfleet, where we can see that rank and accolades tend to come with creature comforts and easier requisitions. Does the rest of the Federation work by similar ideas of meritocracy? Who knows, I can't wait to see how they avoid any specifics next time.
We see everything from a perspective inside Starfleet, where we can see that rank and accolades tend to come with creature comforts and easier requisitions. Does the rest of the Federation work by similar ideas of meritocracy? Who knows, I can't wait to see how they avoid any specifics next time.
"To each according to their need/desire" seems to be the guiding principle here. Peoples' needs naturally change over time, so there'd still be a housing market, it just wouldn't require tens of thousands of dollars per month in rent to live in a bachelor's apartment in Toronto. 
Picard has a family (of sorts, made up of two Romulans, a pitbull, and possibly his sister-in-law who lives elsewhere) and a business that requires a fairly large land allotment, so he needs the Chateau and its vinyard.
Dahj was apparently living alone (there's no sign that her boyfriend was cohabiting) and appears to have been early in her career (she had just been accepted for a position at the Daystrom Institute, so she probably would've been moving soon); she probably didn't need more than an apartment at this point in her life.
The Riker-Trois were living in a house big enough for four (Thaddeus' room was still there), but they decide to move away in S3; they'll probably "sell" the house (whatever process that entails), then move to a smaller place in a city. Once Kestra is old enough to want her own home, she'll probably start in an apartment (or just go to the Academy and live in the dorm), and Will & Deanna may move again.
Raffi was living alone in the equivalent of a trailer, so when she returned to the fleet she sold either the building or the land (it looks like her house was all pre-fab, so it could probably just be dismantled and either disposed of or moved to wherever the new owner wants it).
Rios, of course, was living on his own ship, which he then gave to Seven, who gave it to Raffi (who uses it as part of Starfleet Intelligence-sanctioned operations, so I guess it's now technically part of SI's "motor pool" or whatever.
Picard has a family (of sorts, made up of two Romulans, a pitbull, and possibly his sister-in-law who lives elsewhere) and a business that requires a fairly large land allotment, so he needs the Chateau and its vinyard.
Dahj was apparently living alone (there's no sign that her boyfriend was cohabiting) and appears to have been early in her career (she had just been accepted for a position at the Daystrom Institute, so she probably would've been moving soon); she probably didn't need more than an apartment at this point in her life.
The Riker-Trois were living in a house big enough for four (Thaddeus' room was still there), but they decide to move away in S3; they'll probably "sell" the house (whatever process that entails), then move to a smaller place in a city. Once Kestra is old enough to want her own home, she'll probably start in an apartment (or just go to the Academy and live in the dorm), and Will & Deanna may move again.
Raffi was living alone in the equivalent of a trailer, so when she returned to the fleet she sold either the building or the land (it looks like her house was all pre-fab, so it could probably just be dismantled and either disposed of or moved to wherever the new owner wants it).
Rios, of course, was living on his own ship, which he then gave to Seven, who gave it to Raffi (who uses it as part of Starfleet Intelligence-sanctioned operations, so I guess it's now technically part of SI's "motor pool" or whatever.
Starfleet is just a job. their policies could be somewhat distinct from the rest of earth... we've seen that the Federation is perfectly happy working with all types of governing bodies within its member planets. I'm reasonably okay with the idea that France is still a thing and Picard can own land there in his name and run a business on it. lol he's likely got enough pull with having saved all of humanity for 8 seasons of tng that he could keep his wine out of the replicators XD
And France, of all places, is oh-so resistant to change. It's why Picard was able to resist the Borg in the end.
If there's still a France, 1) the future in STP is even more dystopian than we thought, 2) maintaining traditional vineyards was definitely their idea at the highest levels, and not something Robert or Maurice had to convince anyone of.
Just to clarify that in Season 3 of Picard, Kestra is at Starfleet Academy, and the Rikers intend not to move out of the country, but off-world to somewhere more bustling.
And France, of all places, is oh-so resistant to change. It's why Picard was able to resist the Borg in the end.
I don't think that Picard gets enough credit for that. Like he broke through the collective and was able to physically grab data and give him the command to help them save the Earth.
Also note, that the Vineyard was abandoned from WW2 until Picard was a young boy.
Also, we know part of it burned down in Generations, but that wasn't mentioned in Picard at all.
Also, we know part of it burned down in Generations, but that wasn't mentioned in Picard at all.
Technically, all we know is that there was a fire. It was never stated exactly where the fire was, only that Robert and René were present.
The fandom (and tie-in writers) have long assumed that the fire was at the Chateau, but that is not stated in Generations itself.
No, it was abandoned for a while, but I don't think Picard's dad was the first to run it.
The Rikers lived on another planet. We have never been told that there is no money in the Federation and we don't know if the planet they live on is in the Federation. It was selected for a specific reason.
We were only told that Earth doesn't use money.
Well, there was a caretaker from WW2 until Present day(April 15, 2024), so they might have came back prior to Maurice bringing his wife and youngest son there. I can't recall the exact dialog, but I seemed to think that they had abandoned it ever since WW2, hence why all of the Picard's have an English accent.
Nog says that the Federation doesn't use money in DS9.
There is a parallel Russell Crowe movie about a British guy who inherits a chateau in France and decides to move there. Picard's dad probably inherited from a cousin with no issue.
Nog says "your species".
And technically Pelia in SNW only refers to Earth and humanity in the context where she refers to "this no-money socialist utopia thing", so that could mean either the Federation or just Earth's part in it in context. Likewise Picard in First Contact, who refers to humanity, a century, and Starfleet.
And technically, when Bajor, a planet we definitively know you can purchase real estate on, prepared to join the Federation, they discussed subsuming its security forces into the Federation's, but didn't say anything similar about its economy. (And we know it had a planned economy of some kind thanks to the case of those moisture vaporators or whatnot, certainly not capitalism, but nobody on Earth that we know of is selling grain to survive in the first place.)
So Starfleet (which includes lots of non-humans), humans (which include a lot of civilian colony planets), and Earth (which includes a lot of aliens and civilians), each definitely don't use money, and they all nest within, but do not make up, the Federation.
Counterpoint though: Risa exists. Is the Federation as a government paying them on the back end, to keep Starfleet officers who don't have money happy?
And technically, when Bajor, a planet we definitively know you can purchase real estate on, prepared to join the Federation, they discussed subsuming its security forces into the Federation's, but didn't say anything similar about its economy. (And we know it had a planned economy of some kind thanks to the case of those moisture vaporators or whatnot, certainly not capitalism, but nobody on Earth that we know of is selling grain to survive in the first place.)
So Starfleet (which includes lots of non-humans), humans (which include a lot of civilian colony planets), and Earth (which includes a lot of aliens and civilians), each definitely don't use money, and they all nest within, but do not make up, the Federation.
Counterpoint though: Risa exists. Is the Federation as a government paying them on the back end, to keep Starfleet officers who don't have money happy?