Nobody has the intention to invade Ukraine

Rust

Slightly Off
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I'm curious what goodies Erdogan extorted out of fellow NATO members to quell their objections.

Or maybe he just sees the way the wind is blowing and Putin's money isn't going to be worth alienating the allies that nominally keep his ass on the throne.
 

PrimalxConvoy

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The tweet above was...well, words fail me.

I can only deal with this by attempting to lighten the mood somewhat, but I doubt even this could do that...

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Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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Yeah, I saw a bunch of Ukranians complaining about that statement earlier today, particularly pointing out they didn't cover other things like the Russians that were torturing Ukrainian POWs on camera and then asking for donations to "produce more content". They also seem to neglect to mention that Russia's been doing plenty of targeting of populated residential areas when no military forces were there. Not to mention that right after Russia agreed not to hit port facilities so Ukraine could export grain back around July 23rd, they still hit a port the very next day with a missile. (Odessa for referance.)
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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So... are you calling out the ukrainians for putting soldiers and equipment where the russians are attacking, or amnesty international for calling them out for putting soldiers and equipment where the russians are attacking?
 

Anonymous X

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So... are you calling out the ukrainians for putting soldiers and equipment where the russians are attacking, or amnesty international for calling them out for putting soldiers and equipment where the russians are attacking?
Amnesty International for using what could be interpreted as a pro-Russia position that the ongoing war is Ukraine’s fault for not having unconditionally surrendered the second that Russia starting shelling their cities.
 

PrimalxConvoy

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Boss of the main transport workers’ union, who’s recently become a left-wing folk hero, turns out to be a Putin apologist who blames the EU for ‘bullying’ Russia.

(The man a rabidly pro-Brexit, like most union bosses.)
Oh dear...

For those unfamiliar with "The New Statesman":

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"...The New Statesman is a British political and cultural magazine published in London. Founded as a weekly review of politics and literature on 12 April 1913, it was connected with Sidney and Beatrice Webb and other leading members of the socialist Fabian Society. The magazine has, according to its present self-description, holds a liberal, skeptical political position...

...Overall, we rate the New Statesman Left Biased based on story selection that favors the left and High for factual reporting due to a clean fact check record..."

(Source: - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-statesman/ )
 

Anonymous X

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The New Statesman was also the name of a sitcom about fictional evil Tory politician Alan B’Stard, as played by Rik Mayall. Although to be accurate, that evil politician character would probably be a milquetoast centrist when compared to today’s GOP style Tories.
 

Cyoti

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Technically he can be both. He did start his career as a KGB bureaucrat, after all.
Technically most of the "oligarchs" (in the 90s Yeltsin era sense) and current ruling elites (the so called siloviki) had origins as Soviet era apparatchiks of various sorts. I think the late Karen Dawisher has argued in a lecture that many of them robbed the Soviet state and undermined Gorbachev and his reforms (they took the money) and helped set themselves up in the post-Soviet era. Putin was just lucky that Yeltsn's inner circle was dumb enough to think he was a "reformer".
 

Thylacine 2000

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Amnesty International for using what could be interpreted as a pro-Russia position that the ongoing war is Ukraine’s fault for not having unconditionally surrendered the second that Russia starting shelling their cities.

The head of AI-Ukraine resigned over the global org's refusal to allow their edits for that report. AI global head Agnes Callamard's response to the controversy:


Maybe worth noting that Kate Allen, AI-UK head from 2001-2021, had been in a 20-year relationship with "Red Ken" Livingstone, the tankie ex-mayor of London, and "they shared a deep-seated political ideology":


Livingstone since went on to write for Russia Today justifying the 2008 Russian annexation of Crimea.


AI is really not what it used to be. People who have long since written off the Salvation Army as "problematic" shouldn't hold up AI as a moral authority.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
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This is the same organization that decided it was a good use of their time and stationery to send hate mail to Gary Larson over a Far Side comic depicting people chained up in a medieval dungeon. So yannow.
 


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