Transformers the Movie 40th Anniversary Tour

Sabrblade

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So, I've been going down a rabbit hole lately watching the original Space Battleship Yamato anime and movies from the 1970s, and having watched the second movie awhile back, it makes TFTM killing off Optimus and other 1984 Autobots in the first act of the movie... look tame.

This movie, titled Farewell, Space Battleship Yamato: Warriors of Love, was meant to be the definitive finale to the series, following the conclusion of the first 26-episode series and its compilation movie, closing out the story with the Yamato and her crew going out in one last blaze of glory to save the Earth from a new enemy force that was so absurdly powerful that made it feel impossible to defeat.

Over the course of the movie, more and more familiar characters get killed off both in heroic sacrifices and even pointless casualties, all just to show the sheer might of the enemy and the complete hopelessness of the heroes' situation. By the end of the movie, most of the known good guys all give their lives in the line of duty, the Yamato herself is sacrificed to blow up the final enemy warship, and only a small handful of the Yamato crew make it out alive in the end (with even fewer of those being main characters). The main lead doesn't even make it out alive, piloting the Yamato by himself into the ship's final demise, saving the Earth at the cost of his own life. It was a fully unadulterated, unabashed tragedy.

Needless to say, audiences did not take well to this movie. I even looked up viewer reception from some Japanese people on Facebook who first saw this movie back in 1978, and they described how the whole theater was in tears, even all the teenagers in the room. If you thought TFTM killing off Optimus was bad, this movie was downright relentless in how many beloved characters it sacrificed to save humanity.

In fact, the backlash to this movie was so great that they immediately greenlit production on a sequel series to the first 26 episodes, retelling the same basic story of the second movie but in expanded form and without all the good-guy deaths, essentially retconning that movie out of continuity altogether and repositioning it as an alternate "what if" timeline (gosh, can you imagine if the G1 cartoon went that route and just started up Season 3 with Optimus and everyone alive again like the movie never happened?).



So, this got my sadistically twisted little mind thinking... What if TFTM had actually gone the audacious route of Yamato's second movie and tried to be the tragic finale of the G1 cartoon by killing off even more characters than it actually did? Well, let's find out! :devilish:

We'll start the movie off the same up until the Decepticons' second attack on Autobot City, where the Autobots escape aboard two shuttles. But, keen observers might have noticed that Blaster was the only main Autobot from the first act who did not board either shuttle during this scene. Let's say he was busy operating what few functional defenses the city had left, in order to provide cover for the others to escape. He mans some cannons and even shoots down a Conehead or two, bringing down the jets in a smoldering heap (I'll let you choose whether these are Dirge, Thrust, or Ramjet, specifically). Soundwave spots Blaster's cannonfire and orders Devastator to combine and bring down Blaster's resistance. Devastator starts trashing the place and Blaster decides that the only thing he can do to stop Devastator now is to put Autobot City on self-destruct.

As he wearily enters the command codes, Soundwave enters and tries to stop him by tackling him to the ground. The two roll around wrestling each other until Soundwave powers up his shoulder cannon to shoot Blaster at pointblank range, but the desperate Blaster jams his fist into Soundwave's shoulder cannon just as it's about to fire. The cannon explodes from this and, because it was right next to his head, Soundwave is instantly decapitated. Blaster's whole arm was also blown off. With his dying efforts, Blaster hits the final button command for detonation. Autobot City explodes, taking out Blaster, Devastator, and any other remaining Decepticons (mostly 1984/1985 ones, for good measure) along with it, all while the other Autobots escape aboard their shuttles into space.

The movie then resumes as normal up until the shuttle carrying Kup, Hot Rod, and the Dinobots crash-lands on Quintessa. As Hot Rod tries to save Kup from the giant mechanical squid, instead of mumbling "Fix me," Kup is unable to get any words out. Hot Rod picks up his pieces and carries him out of the sea, but before he can begin any repair work, Kup succumbs to his injuries and dies right then and there in Hot Rod's arms. The mournful Hot Rod vows to keep going and not give up. Later, Hot Rod is instantly captured by Allicons and taken to jail where only he meets Kranix and learns about Unicron.

The movie continues normally again up until Hot Rod's trial with the Quintessons. Like in the actual movie, he tries to fight off the Sharkticons, but since it's just him alone without Kup, he has a much more difficult time, upping the tension to make audiences wonder if his death might be next (by this point, Ultra Magnus has likewise already been killed by the Sweeps on Junk). The Dinobots and Wheelie then burst in to rescue him, but instead of having Grimlock merely assert his dominance and turn the Sharkitcons on the Quintessons, the Dinobots join the fight against the Sharkticons and the whole scene turns into a big slaughter-fest, with the Dinobots initially dominating the Sharkticons until the sheer numbers soon overwhelm them and all five of them are taken out one by one, until Grimlock is the only one left. He hollers for Hot Rod and Wheelie to escape while he holds off the last of the Sharkticon horde. He then shoots his gun up at the ledge beneath the Quintesson judge, prosecutor, and executioner, causing all of them to fall into the pit where the hungry Sharkticons then pounce on them. Hot Rod tries to run back to help Grimlock, but Wheelie holds him back, urging Hot Rod to not let Grimlock's brave efforts go to waste. As Grimlock is consumed by the Sharkticons, Hot Rod begrudgingly leaves, silently thanking the Dinobots for their sacrifice.

On the Planet of Junk, the movie has now reached the point where the Junkions attack the Autobots in the wake of Ultra Magnus having been destroyed. Wreck-Gar leads the charge on the Autobots and, rather than the whimsy of "Dare to be Stupid" making this fight feel like a silly romp, the situation is much graver. Blurr and Perceptor are both taken out by the Junkions' chaotic savagery, leaving only Springer, Arcee, and Daniel left to fight them off. The battle is interrupted by the arrival of Hot Rod and Wheelie aboard the Quintesson ship they stole. Hot Rod emerges and sees the dead remains of Ultra Magnus, Blurr, and Perceptor, as well as the battle-worn Springer, the weary Arcee, and the frightened Daniel. Enraged and sick of losing so many comrades all at once (on top of having never learned the Universal Greeting from Kup), Hot Rod goes straight for Wreck-Gar while Wheelie mans the Quint ship's guns to fend off the other Junkions. Hot Rod manages to beat Wreck-Gar to a pulp and is only stopped by Springer and Arcee holding him back, telling him it's over (and this means Magnus remains dead since the Junkions were never befriended in this version). The three Autobots and Daniel comfort each other, get themselves up to speed on everything, and Hot Rod introduces the others to Wheelie. They then take off in their ship to head to Cybertron, aiming to find Galvatron, get back the Matrix, and stop Unicron once and for all.

During Unicron's attack on Cybertron, Shockwave is actually shown being crushed by Unicron, and many more familiar Decepticons are seen getting blown up, crushed, and eaten by planet-eater. After witnessing Galvatron getting swallowed by Unicron, Cyclonus and Scourge decide that they don't want to share the same fate and begin fighting off the other Decepticons on Unicron's behalf. The other Decepticons label them as traitors and start attacking them too. Astrotrain is shot down in shuttle mode by the two, but he decides that if he's going down, he's taking them with him. His enlarged shuttle mode comes crashing down on the two in a massive, burning fireball, exploding on impact and killing the two right then and there.

The rest of the movie proceeds pretty normally (only minus all the other characters who died before this point) until Hot Rod opens the Matrix and becomes Rodimus Prime. Instead of throwing Galvatron out of Unicron and into space, he simply beats Galvatron down. Rodimus then uses the Matrix to destroy Unicron, but Galvatron (who isn't dead yet) gets up and tries to stop him by grabbing onto Rodimus. The Matrix creates a massive explosion that takes out Unicron from within. Springer, Arcee, Daniel, Wheelie, and the rescued Spike, Bumblebee, Jazz, and Cliffjumper all get themselves out of Unicron in time, but right as they realize Hot Rod is still missing, Unicron goes up in smoke, indicating that Rodimus (and Galvatron) never made it out.

The movie ends with the eight survivors back on Cybertron memorializing their fallen comrades, saluting the brave souls lost in the conflict, and Springer declaring this to be the end of the Cybertronian wars.

Boy, it could have been so much worse, couldn't it? :ROFLMAO:
 
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Sabrblade

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They'd probably need ten apology tours after something like that. :devilish: :ROFLMAO: :LOL:
 

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Honestly, if I was going to rewrite The movie, I'd do two things

#1 with a bullet: Wait until the END of the movie to kill Prime; it should be during the climax, not closing out the first act. Golly. Also maybe try to establish some kind of relationship between Prime and whoever his replacement is going to be so when he passes the mantle it actually feels like he's making a choice instead of just handing it off to the highest ranked person who happens to be in the room.

#2: No unicron. I know that sounds heretical, but the film *really* should have been about the final conflict between Prime and Megatron; two seasons of the cartoon lead up to that and it's utlimately overshadowed due to Unicron's figurative and literal outsized presence in the film.

3. We're getting real off track here, but I might also have it so Prime specifically *chooses* Hot Rod, the film having set up Prime, and even Hot Rod, coming to realize there's more to him than just some "turbo-revving young punk." Woudl add an additional layer to Hot Rod feelings about being leader and living up to Prime's legacy.
 

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Okay, how about this version:


Preserve character version.


So the film starts off the same way, and the Autobots go to Earth for Energon supplies. The shuttle still gets intercepted and all aboard are lost. Shuttle safely lands on earth in Autobot city as there is no Hotrod out fishing with Daniel. In fact there are no new characters whatsoever, all we have is our season 1 and 2 Autobots defending the city, and it is going horrible for them. Decepticons are all in the city causing mayhem, and tearing through our heroes. Blaster and Perceptor are trying to lead the defense after Wheeljack has fallen, and just managed to send out and SOS. We cut to the Ark where Omega Supreme and a lot of the Autobot forces are dealing with an assault there by Bruticus and Menasor, and are unable to provide assistance. We get the iconic day becomes night become day shot, with Megatron ordering his troops to go in for the kill. We get Prime's arrival with the Dinobots, and they turn the tide just like they originally did. However, in the fight between Optimus and Megatron, there is no Hotrod to get in the way, but instead the fight ends when Starscream does a strafing run to finish off both Optimus and Megatron. Soundwave, being the loyal Decepticon carries off Megatron's battered body, and the remaining Autobots bring Optimus into the remains of the city's medbay. We don't get a death scene. In fact we don't even get to know about the matrix yet. Astrotrain makes a comment to the Decepticons that he can't safely get everyone to Cybertron with all the mass aboard. We get the dumping scene, and the fight for leadership that follows.

Unicron scene, and we get to see that Megatron becomes Galvatron, Skywarp the loyal seeker becomes Cyclonus the loyal spaceship, Thundercracker the seeker that wasn't loyal in season 2 to Megtron becomes Scourge who wouldn't be loyal in Season 3. The insecticons become the Sweeps, and we get the new ship. Galvatron shows up on Cybertron during Starscream's coronation, and that plays out just like before. Then they rally and head for Earth. No need to bring in the remote torture of Galvatron by Unicron in this version of the film, as most of the time it doesn't really work and Galavatron's desires are aligned with Unicron's right now.

They attack Autobot city, but this time we see it has been reinforced by not only the dinobots, but now Omega Supreme, Superion, and the protectobots are there. Defensor isn't there to help though as Firstaid is busying not only repairing the fallen Autobots, but upgrading some of them. We get the obvious Optimus Prime upgraded into a new form with his combining trailer. (Since its Optimus Prime, the Head would look more like his iconic G1 head), We get Hotrod, Kup, Springer, and Arcee, but they are just upgraded Season 1 and 2 characters. So the combined forces are able to push the Decepticons back, and part of the Autobots pursue them into space. This eventually leads them to Unicron, who trashes the shuttles, forcing them to land on nearby Quintessa and Junkion.

The Quintessons hate the Autobots and are about to destroy them in the sharkticon pt, but Unicron shows up and starts to eat the planet. Destroying the planet now or in the first episodes on Season 3 really doesn't make a difference, so let's show off Unicron eating the place! Everyone flees, and the Autobots make it in a stolen shuttle to Junkion where they discover the lost tribe of Autobots living there. Wreckgar and the Junkions help the Autobots and repair their shuttle. Launching their own ship to help fight Unicron. No stolen Matrix, just Unicron revealing that he had always intended on destroying Cybertron. Unicron transforms, and starts attacking Cybertron in front of Galavatron and the cons. The Decepticons try to fight off Unicron, but are unsuccessful as we see the Coneheads get shotdown and Shockwave gets squashed. Autobots show up and pretty much the same thing happens except that we get Ultra Optimus Prime vs Galvatron, as Galavatron thinks that the battle is over, and wants to be on the winning side with Unicron. UOP wins their fight and unleashes the power of the matrix. Everyone flees Unicron, and Unicron explodes with his head orbiting Cybertron.

UOP and the Autobots celebrate on Cybertron as the Decepticons are now defeated and on the run. We get a scene to end the film with Galvatron swearing that this isn't the end of him and his Decepticons!

It's not much different than what we got. It's just like when they made Bumblebee into Goldbug. Upgrade the toy/character rather than introduce a new one. I know that its not realistic, as they started working on this long before they finalized season 2, which is why we only see earlier characters like Blaster, Perceptor, Astrotrain, Blitzwing and the insecticons. No Scramble city guys or Omega Supreme at all. I also know that we would lose a lot of iconic moments as well as the Hero's journey storyline that we got with Hotrod becoming Rodimus Prime. So it's give and take, but I liked writing it as a thought experiment. I think that matching up old season 1 & 2 characters to new toys might be tricky, but its doable.
 
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Sabrblade

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We cut to the Ark where Omega Supreme and a lot of the Autobot forces are dealing with an assault there by Bruticus and Menasor, and are unable to provide assistance.
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We get Hotrod, Kup, Springer, and Arcee, but they are just upgraded Season 1 and 2 characters.
So... Who got the sex-change into Arcee?
 

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Yeah, I will admit that I totally stole that idea from that comic, as it just works for an explanation of what certain characters are doing off screen.
So... Who got the sex-change into Arcee?

Elita 1 will be on the shuttle or leading the defense of Autobot city. It doesn't really matter much though as Arcee doesn't get a toy until the Energon toy line, IIRC.
 

Sabrblade

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I see we've reverted to alt.toys.transformers circa 1996. Ok then.
Except my little experiment with rewriting the movie was about how to make it even more tragic (within reason, of course, as I avoided killing off Daniel or Wheelie, who would have been obvious targets by the 90s ATT crowd), not to fix it. 😛


But seriously, I dare y'all to give that second Yamato movie from 1978 a watch (but maybe after first watching either the first 26-episode series or its 2-hour compilation movie in order to have better story context and get to know the characters before they meet their tragic fates in the second movie). It is a fascinating look at how to one can purposely push the boundaries to such bold and audacious limits in writing a heroic tragedy without anticipating people to get upset over it. We may think "What were they thinking?!" in killing off the 1984 Autobots so early into the movie, but this movie just keeps ripping out your heart as it goes on. It's honestly not a bad movie, just a very sad one. But like with killing off Optimus in TFTM, that sadness was both deliberate yet not at all what audiences wanted at the time.
 

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Honestly my favorite callous anime "We replaced the beloved character with a new toy" wasn't even one with a character death, it's just this one episode of the 1970s Yatterman that cold opens with our heroes addressing the audience directly saying "ok this is the new mecha we're using now deal with it". Not even a send off or anything until he gets to make one last reappearance in the final episode!

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Sabrblade

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That is hilarious. :LOL:
 
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But seriously, I dare y'all to give that second Yamato movie from 1978 a watch (but maybe after first watching either the first 26-episode series or its 2-hour compilation movie in order to have better story context and get to know the characters before they meet their tragic fates in the second movie). It is a fascinating look at how to one can purposely push the boundaries to such bold and audacious limits in writing a heroic tragedy without anticipating people to get upset over it. We may think "What were they thinking?!" in killing off the 1984 Autobots so early into the movie, but this movie just keeps ripping out your heart as it goes on. It's honestly not a bad movie, just a very sad one. But like with killing off Optimus in TFTM, that sadness was both deliberate yet not at all what audiences wanted at the time.

Alternatively, watch the live-action Yamato movie. They knew all about these reactions, and they still went down that path...
 

Haywire

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Is it really worse than Ideon?
Ideon is one of those shows I really want to watch, but never find the time to search it out. I missed my opportunity to buy the blu ray set in early 2020, not realizing it would go out of print so fast. Much as I would like a physical copy, probably have to bite the bullet and look for some fan uploads.
 

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I don't have any connection to Yamato, so I'm leaving that part of the conversation alone. The idea that Hot Rod should've been introduced early in the movie, grown through the story side-by-side with Optimus, and then stepped up to take over for Optimus at the end has some merit, though. That could've been a cool story.
 

Sabrblade

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I don't have any connection to Yamato, so I'm leaving that part of the conversation alone. The idea that Hot Rod should've been introduced early in the movie, grown through the story side-by-side with Optimus, and then stepped up to take over for Optimus at the end has some merit, though. That could've been a cool story.
I once proposed something like that as a rewrite of the movie awhile back, but everyone else here was like, "Nah, just put Optimus on life support. 80s kids would love that better than battle armor."[/NotADirectQuote]
 
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