Transformers Collaborative series

[The Predaking]

I like to think of it as an organization that constantly swaps out their agents whenever they died. James Bond was never his birth name, just an alias he was given. I like to think that the original James Bond was captured in the US trying to get proof of JFK's killers out to the world, and then held in Alcatraz for decades.

 

[Shadewing]

A James Bond MASK collab would require Hasbro giving a crap about MASK.


There's an outside chance it could be a stealth homage, possibly?
I'm convinced whoever got the assignment for the USA 250 Star Eagle job just used it as an excuse to get a retail Blue Bolts out there.

That would also fit with my theory that the Energon subline only exists to give us a Megatron to go with Behold Galvatron.

 

[Donocropolis]

I like to think of it as an organization that constantly swaps out their agents whenever they died. James Bond was never his birth name, just an alias he was given. I like to think that the original James Bond was captured in the US trying to get proof of JFK's killers out to the world, and then held in Alcatraz for decades.

That's a common misconception. Although he DID get caught and sent to Alcatraz, he actually escaped and hid in the one place he knew that he would be safe from the United States government: Soviet Russia. Despite his heavy Scottish accent, he was able to forge paperwork identifying him as a minor officer in the Soviet navy. His natural skill, however, soon pushed him up the ranks until he was made captain of a submarine. Realizing he had gone too far, he decided to "defect" back to the west.

 

[Shadewing]

I like to think of it as an organization that constantly swaps out their agents whenever they died. James Bond was never his birth name, just an alias he was given. I like to think that the original James Bond was captured in the US trying to get proof of JFK's killers out to the world, and then held in Alcatraz for decades.

A video I came across about a month or so ago that is kinda about that:

 

[The Predaking]

That's a common misconception. Although he DID get caught and sent to Alcatraz, he actually escaped and hid in the one place he knew that he would be safe from the United States government: Soviet Russia. Despite his heavy Scottish accent, he was able to forge paperwork identifying him as a minor officer in the Soviet navy. His natural skill, however, soon pushed him up the ranks until he was made captain of a submarine. Realizing he had gone too far, he decided to "defect" back to the west.

Once he got back in the US he was recaptured and sent to a higher security prison, where eventually they brought him out to help them with a terrorist/hostage situation on Alcatraz. Thought killed in that operation, he told his fellow operative where to find the JFK evidence he hid, and escaped to live a quiet life in New York. He there found a dead reclusive author and took his place. He was able to assume his identity and live a quiet life in luxury. Eventually he was convinced to tutor a young man in creative writing.

 

[LordGigaIce]

I like to think of it as an organization that constantly swaps out their agents whenever they died. James Bond was never his birth name, just an alias he was given.

The Bond fan in me can't abide the "James Bond is a codename" theory.

In OHMSS Bond as played by George Lazenby marries Teresa di Vicenzo as played by Diana Rigg. She's gunned down on their wedding day by Blofeld.

In the very next movie Bond is played by Sean Connery and he's after Blofeld for revenge for Teresa's murder. In For Your Eyes Only Bond as played by Roger Moore visits Teresa's grave and actually finally kills Blofeld in revenge for her death.
Additionally Bond as played by both Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan reference Teresa as his greatest personal tragedy.
They're all meant to be playing the same guy.

Also Daniel Craig's Skyfall takes M to his family estate in Scotland to hide out and it's the Bond estate, with the old family estate manager referring to him as "James Bond," but the Craig movies are their own disconnected and self contained continuity anyway. Still, they reference the very personal backstory Fleming crafted for Bond that the Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan movies built on.

Then there is a surprise animated short on youtube where the James Bond transformer gets shot, glows, and regenerates into an entirely different model of car. Surprise, it's a Doctor Who homage! (I still think if you assume James Bond is a Time Lord it makes the entire franchise a whole lot more reasonable, weirdly).

Now Bond as a Time Lord DOES make more sense. It gets tricky because it goes Connery, Lazenby, back to Connery, and then Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, and Craig.

But given how mucky the Doctor's own timeline is that can be easily explained

 

[The Predaking]

The Bond fan in me can't abide the "James Bond is a codename" theory.

In OHMSS Bond as played by George Lazenby marries Teresa di Vicenzo as played by Diana Rigg. She's gunned down on their wedding day by Blofeld.

In the very next movie Bond is played by Sean Connery and he's after Blofeld for revenge for Teresa's murder. In For Your Eyes Only Bond as played by Roger Moore visits Teresa's grave and actually finally kills Blofeld in revenge for her death.
Additionally Bond as played by both Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan reference Teresa as his greatest personal tragedy.
They're all meant to be playing the same guy.

That is where you have to reach to make it make sense. Each Bond has implanted memories. It helps motivate and control them.

Also Daniel Craig's Skyfall takes M to his family estate in Scotland to hide out and it's the Bond estate, with the old family estate manager referring to him as "James Bond," but the Craig movies are their own disconnected and self contained continuity anyway. Still, they reference the very personal backstory Fleming crafted for Bond that the Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan movies built on.

The land always existed and it existed for that particular purpose. It's why the villain, who was a former operative, knew where to find them.

 

[Shadewing]

Now Bond as a Time Lord DOES make more sense. It gets tricky because it goes Connery, Lazenby, back to Connery, and then Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, and Craig.

But given how mucky the Doctor's own timeline is that can be easily explained

The Curator, played by Tom Baker (the 4th Doctor) tells The 11th Doctor that sometimes he might feel like visiting old faces, implying that the Curator is a future version of the Doctor. The 12th Doctor has a plot line specifically about him having the face of someone else. The 16th Doctor is just 10 revisited. So the Doctor can consciously or subconsiously choose what he looks like durring regeneration.

So maybe after Teresa's death he returns to his previous face becuase he can't bare looking at the version of him that failed.

 

[LordGigaIce]

The Curator, played by Tom Baker (the 4th Doctor) tells The 11th Doctor that sometimes he might feel like visiting old faces, implying that the Curator is a future version of the Doctor. The 12th Doctor has a plot line specifically about him having the face of someone else. The 16th Doctor is just 10 revisited. So the Doctor can consciously or subconsiously choose what he looks like durring regeneration.

So maybe after Teresa's death he returns to his previous face becuase he can't bare looking at the version of him that failed.

 

[Sabrblade]

Connery sneezed one day, became Lazenby, and thought nothing of it. Then, Lazenby got a real bad case of the sniffles, realized it was something serious after all, and got the right cold meds that turned him back into Connery.

 

[CoffeeHorse]

They're all meant to be playing the same guy.

They're meant to be playing Sir Christopher Lee, who had some experience with magic that he didn't like talking about.

 

[Undead Scottsman]

For me personally, Skyfall is probably the biggest knock against the multiple people are James Bond theory, because not only is it pretty explicit that this James Bond, scion of the Bond family, but it also includes Dame Judy Dench as M, making it feel like a continuation of the Brosnon films. Doesn''t make the theory invalid or anything, but Skyfall definitely pushed me away from it.

 

[LordGigaIce]

The fact is that any sense of a logical timeline in those films went out the window when they recast Bond as Timothy Dalton, turning Bond from the elderly Roger Moore to the spry 30-something Dalton who would require some kind of floating timeline to keep everything canon. And they went out of their way to have Dalton reference Teresa too, which seemed like a deliberate "we know things are messy now but trust us all that stuff still happened" move.

Craig's first outing was supposed to be a hard reboot but they kept Dench as M from Brosnan's films and established the two M's prior to her as canon even though it was supposed to be a reboot so...

The Bond timeline is a mess and how you make sense of it is really up to you

Honestly, I find it so fascinating because it's a relic. If it had been introduced in the post-MCU world they would have had Connery "pass the torch" to some new character played by George Lazenby or something. Bond is a relic from a time before, when they both cared enough about past continuity to keep it straight but didn't care enough to ensure everything was air tight.

James Bond is a suave, cool British secret agent and some stuff that happened to him may be important on this particular outing but it's really not worth getting all hung up on, ya know? It was reflective of an older way of handling ongoing franchises you just don't see anymore.

Not even with James Bond as a franchise itself. Not only was Craig's first out supposed to be a hard reboot (except when it wasn't) but he dies at the end of his run. Any new series that picks up will be another reboot that's going to be run much more like a modern cinematic universe/franchise.

 

[Sabrblade]

In other words, time flows in the Bond films like how time flows in Arthur, a show that started in the age of VHS tapes and pagers, ended in the age of smartphones and tablets, yet had Arthur remain 8 years old in Mr Ratburn's third grade class for the entire run of the series.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Time is a construct of our mortal perceptions. Embrace the chaos of eternity and learn the truth. There is no Bond.

 

[Andrusi]

Yeah, not even in Powered Up, where they created Time Man instead.

 

[Swerve]

Time is an illusion....lunch time doubly so.

 

[Platypus Prime]

Some people just need some assistance when it comes to understanding the Bond franchise in general. That's the job of the Bond Aide.

 

[Princess Viola]

personally i think they recast james bond in remembrance each time the real james bond dies

 

[lastmaximal]

It's happened so many times Takara ran out of titles to use and wound up with James Bond Again.