Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Axaday

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Skullduggery?

The United States cannot ever be anything but a first world country, definitionally.
 

Teufel

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Wonder how much money Trump promised him.

Oookay.

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Arab Americans are slightly more likely to vote for Donald Trump than Kamala Harris, according to a new poll, in a worrying sign for the Democratic nominee’s chances of carrying the battleground state of Michigan, which is home to a large Arab American population.

The survey, conducted by the Arab News Research and Studies Unit along with YouGov, shows 43% supporting Trump compared with 41% for Harris, and 4% backing the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein.

The figures are broadly in line with a previous poll carried out this month by the Arab American Institute. Together they suggest that Harris’s support in the community has been undermined by the Biden administration’s backing for Israel’s year-long war against Hamas in Gaza.

The latest poll also shows Trump leading Harris by 39% to 33% on the question of which candidate would be most likely resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, while the candidates were tied at 38% apiece on who would be “better for the Middle East in general”.

The AAI's late October 2020 poll was 59% Biden 35% Trump for reference. The precise accuracy I'm not sure I'd put stock in but as a sign of a trend away from Democrats (at least this presidential cycle) over anger related to the Middle East shrinking a decades long double digit advantage with this demographic? Very believable, no bribes required.
 

Ungnome

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I get that, but all indications are that Trump would likely be worse for Arabs than Harris would be. If they are worried about how much Biden supports Israel, what do they think Trump would do? Guy has a track record of supporting strongman leaders(while Netanyahu isn't quite as bad as some of the people Trump has expressed adoration for, he does use some of the same tactics) and Trump has engaged in anti-islamic rhetoric before. Also said mayor is a Democrat who likely knows what side Trump would be on if he wins. It could be him just trying to shore up his own votes to an increasingly pro-trump citizenry of his town, sure, but it still seems odd.
 

Monique

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So unsurprisingly the MSG rally was a demonstration of putrid vileness. Not that it even matters anymore. Trump can have a speaker just go on about how black people love watermelon and they will clap and nod their heads and call anyone pointing out that is a racist stereotype a woke snowflake.
 

Teufel

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I get that, but all indications are that Trump would likely be worse for Arabs than Harris would be. If they are worried about how much Biden supports Israel, what do they think Trump would do? Guy has a track record of supporting strongman leaders(while Netanyahu isn't quite as bad as some of the people Trump has expressed adoration for, he does use some of the same tactics) and Trump has engaged in anti-islamic rhetoric before. Also said mayor is a Democrat who likely knows what side Trump would be on if he wins. It could be him just trying to shore up his own votes to an increasingly pro-trump citizenry of his town, sure, but it still seems odd.

The same poll says they think by big margins that hate crimes against them will rise under Trump versus Harris. So it comes down to the Middle East conflict being a paramount issue for many.

I've seen several takes and I'm sure there's no overriding single one

-Punish the Dems and teach them a lesson

-The conflict & killing happened on Biden/Harris' watch, they haven't reigned in Israel, it can't be worse under Trump

-Harris hasn't differentiated herself from Biden's policies and instead is campaigning with Liz Cheney and touting her Dick Cheney endorsement

-Trump's closeness with Israel/Bibi means he might have more leverage

-Trump has said he wants peace and at one point said he thinks Israel needs to end things quickly

These are all debatable and analyzing them logically I'd agree, some are uh, questionable, but these voters are pissed and feel helpless and trying to hug over the Democrats in the presidential election is certainly one answer to that. The Trump campaign is actively courting the Arab and Muslim communities and he had an imam from Detroit on stage to endorse him at a recent Michigan rally. That mayor is from a city that's majority Muslim.

I just don't think it takes a bribe or anything overly nefarious or Machiavellian to explain why this mayor is going the same way a not insignificant portion of his community might be this cycle.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
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Fair enough on those points. Of course I read the whole 'Israel needs to end things quickly' as ominous rather than a legitimate call for peace. Maybe a lot of people read it another way.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
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Incidentally, is this the first time Trump has name-brand-tweeted since he was unbanned?
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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I think he thinks he NEEDS to be trump 2.0, to swallow up the cult when trump finally kicks off. Of course, they also think they're going to take the election too, so no reasoning with a broken mind.
 


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