Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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FB friend:
So now the Secret Service is saying that the guy who supposedly tried to assassinate Trump a few days ago never had a line of sight on him, but they had previously said he pointed a rifle at him.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with these two things supposedly being true at the same time?

Just to be clear, I'm not saying this was a staged assassination attempt. I'm not a conspiracy-theory whack-job, and anyone who wanted to stage an assassination attempt could do a far better job than that. I'm just saying that police in America have a habit of lying to the media, and they need to do better, because they've proven themselves to be untrustworthy.

The Secret Service's two stories cannot both be true at the same time, which leaves us to wonder: did the Secret Service lie about the suspect pointing his rifle at Trump, in which case they might have been over-eager and arrested someone for open-carrying near Trump's golf course, which Republicans consider to be a constitutional right? Or did the Secret Service lie about the suspect never getting close enough to get a line of sight, in which case they might have failed spectacularly and embarrassed themselves for the second time?
Dear Trump supporters: I'm not saying that every one of you is a racist piece of jive. I'm saying that every one of you is OK with electing a racist, which makes you a piece of jive.
Imagine being 78 years old and still being so insecure in your manhood that you constantly try to look tough in public, like a 15-year old boy puffing out his chest to look like a man.
 

Axaday

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FB friend:

The only story I ever saw was that they were ahead securing the area and saw a rifle barrel sticking out of cover and they fired and the person dropped the gun and ran away. Where did your Facebook friend see the other story?
 

Axaday

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Was your dad paying any attention to this year's convention when the platform that the party officially adopted was just a laundry list of Trump social media posts in all caps?

To be clear, what I am talking about is Pro-Life and various other "family values" things, small government (I know!), lower taxes, private health care and other government staying out of people's way issues, leaving states rights alone. I am not conversant on what was discussed that the convention, but you and I and he can all be confident that the GOP is going to be taking these hashtags.
 

Ungnome

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First assassin seems to have been trying to achieve 'suicide by cop' in an epic way, second assassin is just a kook with a long running violent streak. Doubt the Biden or Harris campaigns had much to do with either.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
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My guess is he was likely gonna use a pejorative commonly thrown at women and held back at the last second. Several options there, so I don't know which one he intended to use.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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Yeah, impossible to guess since he's so hateful of basically everyone and everything. I honestly don't get how his wife has stayed with him.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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Yeah, impossible to guess since he's so hateful of basically everyone and everything. I honestly don't get how his wife has stayed with him.

I'm guessing they had a talk before he went full grifter and bent the knee to Trump after calling him America's Hitler.

"Honey, you know this party's full of Nazis. We'll just have to roll with the punches for now."
 

Ultra Magnus13

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FB friend:

I think he/you are reading way to much into it. Dudes rifle was poked through the fence pointed into the golf course, with bags full of ceramics set up as cover.

If I know you are in a house, and I'm pointing a rifle at the door that I know you will exit, it would be fairly reasonable to say I'm "pointing a rifle at you" , despite not yet having true line of sight on you.

On top of that the agent/s that engaged the shooter may have had line of sight to both the shooter and to Trump and assumed the shooter did as well.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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@Teufel Yeah, because pointing out obvious contradictions in the Secret Service's story is totally the same as inventing wild conspiracy theories. After their embarrassing lapse in the first assassination attempt, they’ve got every reason to try and save face, so asking for clarity isn’t exactly out of left field.

@Ultra Magnus13 The point is, the story changed. First, the guy had a rifle aimed at Trump, and now suddenly there was no line of sight.
 

Teufel

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Do you have an actual source for the Secret Service changing their account of the assassination attempt? I never saw that when details emerged of the incident. I can't find it with a Google search. Also your friend never seemed to consider the fact that these events or other breaking news incidents are often chaotic and initial details are frequently wrong or slightly off and there's no sinister plot centered around GOP gun politics.
 

Axaday

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@Teufel Yeah, because pointing out obvious contradictions in the Secret Service's story is totally the same as inventing wild conspiracy theories. After their embarrassing lapse in the first assassination attempt, they’ve got every reason to try and save face, so asking for clarity isn’t exactly out of left field.

@Ultra Magnus13 The point is, the story changed. First, the guy had a rifle aimed at Trump, and now suddenly there was no line of sight.
Why no reply to me? I have never seen the first story and so have never seen that it changed. Can the claim be substantiated?
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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@Teufel Just to clarify, this isn’t about gun politics. The issue my friend raised is more about the consistency of the Secret Service's statements and whether we can trust the information they’re putting out. Breaking news can be chaotic, sure, but when the narrative shifts like this, it’s natural to question why. It’s not about a “sinister plot” but more about holding authorities accountable for the information they provide.

@Axaday He didn't cite an article, but I found this:


Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw said the US Secret Service agents fired at a man pointing an AK-style rifle with a scope as Trump was on the course.

I can see how a reader might interpret that as "pointing a gun at Trump."
 

Teufel

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@Teufel Just to clarify, this isn’t about gun politics. The issue my friend raised is more about the consistency of the Secret Service's statements and whether we can trust the information they’re putting out. Breaking news can be chaotic, sure, but when the narrative shifts like this, it’s natural to question why. It’s not about a “sinister plot” but more about holding authorities accountable for the information they provide.

@Axaday He didn't cite an article, but I found this:




I can see how a reader might interpret that as "pointing a gun at Trump."

If the narrative shifts. I'm 97% sure this is something FB Friend imagined and it sent him down a rabbit hole, which makes the "not a conspiracy theorist, but" preface funny.
 


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