Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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Because their rich owners don't want to look like they're going against Trump, just in case. They all know how petty and vindictive he is.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
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Certain members of SCOTUS, you know, the ones bought with fancy vacations, are living in fear of a code of conduct and an expanded court that will remove most of their value. I look forward to the day that Clarence Thomas just isn't worth the price of an expensive trip to the Caribbean.
 

Axaday

Well-known member
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Certain members of SCOTUS, you know, the ones bought with fancy vacations, are living in fear of a code of conduct and an expanded court that will remove most of their value. I look forward to the day that Clarence Thomas just isn't worth the price of an expensive trip to the Caribbean.
It sounds like you are down for expanding? Where are we on that?

I saw a few weeks ago where a Republican Congressman said Kamala had said she would expand the court and I couldn't find that it was true. I know some bills have floated out, but you really can't get too excited about something just because a bill gets to the House of Representatives. A lot of ideas get thrown around there, but few stick. I expect you need a 60-40 Senate to make this happen and that isn't happening.

The whole idea of it is a brain-tickler to me. My whole life and long before there has been a strong degree of angst about who would get to replace justices when it has always been possible to just outvote them. But no one has done it in a long, long time. I have had a longstanding impression that FDR had expanded it up to 12, but now that I look for the details, he didn't. He wanted to, but he couldn't manage it. It hasn't been done since the 19th century. Leaving that precedent in place feels like it has some value. In spite of Trump's great luck, I think the majority of people would still view it as a political trick and that in itself could cost the midterms or the next White House, but further when you normalize a political trick you have to do it knowing that you're going to hand the reins to the other party before too long. So Kamala gets it up to 13 for a 7-6 majority. She is probably succeeded by a Republican in 4 or 8 years. Does he take it to 15 to get an 8-7? There's no Constitutional limit on how high it can go, but how many sounds crazy? Honestly, 9 is already a LOT of cooks in the kitchen.


I know if they could manage it, they could get an awful lot done before the pendulum would swing the other way, but it wouldn't be very permanent. And what we're playing with is the independence of the judicial branch. It was not intended to be changeable with every new Congress or President. If Kamala gets both houses, I think a less bold, but still constructive move might be impeaching Clarence Thomas.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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Expanding the court is something they keep talking about, but never do. Frankly and until recently, other than the ever growing backlog of cases... there really hasn't been a need. I mean, they need to get to the backlog too, but these aren't overt criminal cases either; they're interpretation of the law to set precedent. Neither side has been extreme enough to not cooperate... until recently...

Now it's openly corrupt, and obviously NOT going to hold itself to any civilized standard. NOW there's need to expand and pack the court; if only to force the "uncooperative ones" into behaving by force of law and oversight. And once the reputation of the court is restored, then you can let it shrink back due to attrition.
 

Axaday

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Now it's openly corrupt, and obviously NOT going to hold itself to any civilized standard. NOW there's need to expand and pack the court; if only to force the "uncooperative ones" into behaving by force of law and oversight. And once the reputation of the court is restored, then you can let it shrink back due to attrition.

They'd for sure fill every vacancy from their own side, but why waste the opportunity to double down harder when it is the other side? Both houses of Congress and the President would all have to agree to close the vacancy. All of them are gonna be okay with that? Not in this age. If they don't pass and sign a bill to close it, that vacancy would be sitting there to be filled.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
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For the record, I'm very much for expanding the court. I'd like to see 13. A nice number that would keep any administration from being able to stack a court. As well as being large enough that they can marginalize the more extreme members.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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It also brings the number of justices in line with the number of circuit courts, which was how things were up until the reconstruction IIRC. I also wonder if you did do that, if it would make sense to then also require going forward that each seat is tied to a court circuit, and any nominees must come from that area. It would help in making the Supreme Court a proper representation of all the courts below it.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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They'd for sure fill every vacancy from their own side, but why waste the opportunity to double down harder when it is the other side? Both houses of Congress and the President would all have to agree to close the vacancy. All of them are gonna be okay with that? Not in this age. If they don't pass and sign a bill to close it, that vacancy would be sitting there to be filled.
You're forgetting that by the time they get to the attrition point: it wouldn't BE in this age anymore. Hopefully american society would be more mature by then.
 

Axaday

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You're forgetting that by the time they get to the attrition point: it wouldn't BE in this age anymore. Hopefully american society would be more mature by then.
You must be talking about the distant future! Somehow I thought we were talking about things settling down in my lifetime.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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It's an open ended time line. Maybe you get to say something nice about it on your deathbed.
 

Paladin

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oh look; the Justice Department confirmed Russia paid millions to spread disinformation in Donalds' favor over social media.



what a breakthrough. maybe next week the Science office will confirm hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
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Let's see this get some play on Fox news.
I have a better chance of winning the lottery then that happening, but it'd be nice to see all the anguish as people realize they're being led around by the nose by agents of the Kremlin.
 


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