Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
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I know there are a lot of dumb people in the world, but I'm not sure I'm ready to write off fully 70% of the population as being mentally disabled to the point where they don't deserve rights.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
I know there are a lot of dumb people in the world, but I'm not sure I'm ready to write off fully 70% of the population as being mentally disabled to the point where they don't deserve rights.
Who said that? I just want to know what the overlap between the two groups are. Just because you don't have... thoughts... doesn't mean you don't deserve to have rights: it means we need to retool our education and social systems to account for that fact and start teaching people critical thinking from day 1.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
Who said that? I just want to know what the overlap between the two groups are. Just because you don't have... thoughts... doesn't mean you don't deserve to have rights: it means we need to retool our education and social systems to account for that fact and start teaching people critical thinking from day 1.
Nothing about that Medium article suggested you can just fix someone's lack of an inner monologue through education, any more than you could cure Down Syndrome.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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I imagine it's quite liberating to have no inner monologue. Sometimes I think you can even tell by looking at someone's face if there are any wheels turning behind their eyes.
 

DefaultOption

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I feel bad for fans of teams like the Philadelphia Phillies who have traditionally had primarily red caps.

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wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Nothing about that Medium article suggested you can just fix someone's lack of an inner monologue through education, any more than you could cure Down Syndrome.
It's not education: it's reflex training. When you drill into someone how to react to a situation over and over and over and over again: they will eventually react the way you trained them. That's what you do in this case, but with critical thinking skills. It's doesn't suddenly give them thoughts: but it makes them aware of context and question the event as they ******* well should. Idiot proofing idiots, as it were.

You start it young for everyone, and repeat through the entirety of the shared childhood experience.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
Citizen
FB friend:
The wealthy industrialists thought he was a clown, but they supported him because he privately assured them that he would protect their wealth and privilege. The militarists supported him because he promised to make the country great again. The racists supported him because they knew he was one of them. And the respectable people hoped that they would be able to moderate his clown personality once he got into office.

Who am I talking about? Adolf Hitler in 1933, of course. Who did you think I was talking about?
The problem with a religious fundamentalist political movement with a messianic saviour complex is that they literally believe they are fighting the devil, so they will naturally believe that ANY tactic they use, no matter how devious or cruel or underhanded or even illegal, is completely justified.

The rest of us are thinking that politics is about choosing between different sets of government policies, but these nutjobs think that politics is a cosmic battle between Good and Evil. That's why they're trying to undermine civil institutions and destroy civil discourse. They don't WANT society or government to run smoothly. They WANT chaos, because they want to exacerbate conflicts until they get their apocalyptic final battle of Good vs Evil.
 

G.B.Blackrock

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It's not education: it's reflex training. When you drill into someone how to react to a situation over and over and over and over again: they will eventually react the way you trained them. That's what you do in this case, but with critical thinking skills. It's doesn't suddenly give them thoughts: but it makes them aware of context and question the event as they ******* well should. Idiot proofing idiots, as it were.

You start it young for everyone, and repeat through the entirety of the shared childhood experience.
Critical thinking and reflex are mutually exclusive.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Not when the reflex is to think critically. It's the same principal as learning how to not panic.
 

G.B.Blackrock

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Not when the reflex is to think critically. It's the same principle as learning how to not panic.
I deny that such a thing exists.

Thinking critically requires conciousness. It cannot be done by reflex. Even in your example, one must be taught to supress the reflex to panic. It is not a reflex not to panic.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
I deny that such a thing exists.

Thinking critically requires conciousness. It cannot be done by reflex. Even in your example, one must be taught to supress the reflex to panic. It is not a reflex not to panic.
So you're saying that you actually can LEARN how to not panic? So why can't you hijack the methodology to LEARN how to think critically? Critical thinking skills are actually taught. It's a key process in LEARNING to be an investigator, a reporter, an engineer and a myriad of other jobs and skills. Education reform experts have been screaming for YEARS that we need to teach children to think critically, and how to vet their information sources.

Teach it young, teach it to everyone, teach it consistently, and everyone will have critical thinking skills and the majority will use them as reflex. You teach everyone to replace the knee jerk outrage reactions with reasoned thought and deliberate consideration, and the greater volume of people will replace the rage with critical thought.
 

NovaSaber

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I also think that, despite also having a once-useful/now-detrimental natural instinct toward seeing patterns that aren't there, humans do have a natural instinct toward skepticism.
An instinct that many forms of indoctrination actively suppress.
 

Axaday

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I guess I assumed they had both been arse further back.

I wonder if it just morphed because people didn't know that it referred to a donkey.
I think it might just be human nature to make things about your bottom. My daughter just mentioned "the crack of dawn" while playing and I remembered this conversation and remembered that I sometimes hear people instead say "The a**crack of dawn" for absolutely no good reason.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Apparently trump will have his first meeting with his probation officer today.

So what are the punishments for lying to a probation officer... cause trump will lie to them.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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He'll be very firmly asked to pretty please not do it again.

He'll then do it again before even leaving the meeting.
 


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