Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Pocket

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wonko the sane? said:
You are right.

Trump would have also had his "fortune" at that point, and sued that dude to oblivion and back for breaking the NDA. Unless someone managed to figure out a way that particular NDA was illegal or illegitimate, trump would have had an a major axe to grind.

I mean: the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. But that one dude that did the right thing for the right reason is blacklisted, broke and incapable of rebuilding under your hypothetical.
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Given that the NDA in question threatened "even jail time" for violating it, I assume that means breaking it would be a criminal offense, not a civil one (I have no idea how the hell that works, but IANAL), so President Hillary would have just pardoned him for it.
 
wonko the sane?

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Doesn't really help if the person is under an NDA and like 2 people in the world could have the source material in the first place. Trump is ******* stupid, but if only HIM and the producer could have released it, and trump didn't... you get it, right?
 
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www.nbcnews.com

Trump supporters try to dox jurors and post violent threats after his conviction

On social media and web forums, users called for jurors, judges and prosecutors to be killed after the former president was found guilty on 34 felony counts.
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“Dox the Jurors. Dox them now,” one user wrote after Trump’s conviction on a website formerly known as “The Donald,” which was popular among participants in the Capitol attack. (That post appears to have been quickly removed by moderators.)

“We need to identify each juror. Then make them miserable. Maybe even suicidal,” wrote another user on the same forum. “1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to washington and hang everyone. That’s the only solution,” wrote another user. “This s--- is out of control.”

“I hope every juror is doxxed and they pay for what they have done,” another user wrote on Trump’s Truth Social platform Thursday. “May God strike them dead. We will on November 5th and they will pay!”
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But it's not a violent terrorist cult.
 
The Mighty Mollusk

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This would be a great time for someone to show how domestic terrorists should be handled.

Aaaaaaaany day now........
 
Pocket

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Also I'm pretty sure people's voting records aren't public, specifically to prevent this kind of thing. But it wouldn't surprise me if there's no law against claiming otherwise.
 
KidTDragon

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Claiming otherwise in this manner is a form of voter intimidation, which is illegal, even in Texas. Whether Texas enforces that law when there's evidence of MAGAts engaging in it is the real question.
 
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They'll probably get away with it because they're not technically saying it's public record who you voted for, just whether you voted or not. Why else would they have not crossed that line already?
 

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There are public records, for important reasons, of who voted. There are no records of who you voted for. No one is supposed to know that, much less remember.
 
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KidTDragon said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793778290010050743

No, really, it's not a violent terrorist cult.
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Pale Rider

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FB friend:
In this moment of Trump supporters crying and gnashing their teeth and screaming that this is the worst injustice ever, just remind them that they made fun of George Floyd for being murdered by a racist cop, so they can all please hug off now.
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Most of the pro-Trump arguments right now basically boil down to the sickening idea that white-collar crime is not real crime and should not be prosecuted.
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If Trump supporters get their hands on the jury list, those poor jurors will need to fear for their lives.
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So what happens when Trump gets probation and then ignores the conditions of that probation?
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Just FYI, other presidents have been convicted of crimes.

- Prime Minister Lee Wan-Koo of South Korea was convicted of bribery in 2016.
- Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel was convicted of bribery in 2014.
- President Chen Shui-Bian of Taiwan was convicted of bribery in 2009.
- President Kakuei Tanaka of Japan was convicted of bribery in 1983.
- Prime Minister Francois Fillon of France was convicted of fraud in 2020.
- Prime Minister Jose Socrates of Portugal was convicted of corruption in 2014.
- Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy was convicted of soliciting sex from an underage prostitute in 2013.

This is by no means a comprehensive list. In fact, presidents and prime ministers are convicted of crimes all the time. It is in fact a healthy sign of a functioning democracy that even its most powerful men must still answer to the law.

But do you know which national leaders will NEVER be convicted of a crime? Vladimir Putin. Kim Jong-Un. King Salman of Saudi Arabia. These are the kind of leaders who set themselves above the law.
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It's not an embarrassment to convict an ex-president. It is an embarrassment to have a criminal for an ex-president.
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It's so irritating that this actually has to be explained, but it's a big deal to falsify business records, because falsified business records are the mechanism through which tax cheating, embezzlement, and money laundering is done. Virtually all white-collar crime boils down to falsifying business records at some point.
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Pocket said:
There should absolutely be a law making this sort of thing an exception to NDAs. Remember how WAY BACK IN 2016 we were like "Come on, somebody release the tape of Trump saying the N word. We know it's out there somewhere. That's what it'll take to ruin him." We could have avoided his whole damn presidency if they could have done that back in 2016.
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While stakes were far less than the presidency, I have been one of the 'consequences be damned' whistleblowers in a position I've previously held.
To this day I am paying for that. To this day those people continue to do everything they can to make my life suck and, honestly, they've done a magnificent job of it.
There is a reason people stay quiet. I understand that better now. The right thing may be the right thing, but when it costs you everything that's when you really start to question principle.
 
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