Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[Pale Rider]

FB friend:

Goddamned Trumpers complain about Iran sending drones to Russia but they're too stupid to realize that if Trump hadn't unceremoniously jettisoned the Iran nuclear non-proliferation deal for nothing, the US could use the threat of cancelling that deal as a bargaining chip against Iran now.

Trump and his minions believe that good deal-making is just pushing other people around all the time, but the problem with bullying people 100% of the time is that you can't always get what you want by bullying people. Sometimes, you need to actually bargain with them, and when that happens, it's good to have bargaining chips.

 

[Pocket]

It's another thing the far left and the far right have in common, sadly. Believing you have to be mean to the Bad People 100% of the time because they're bad and they deserve it, and anything less is cause to believe you're secretly on their side.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-tries-to-change-ny-business-addresses-to-fl-in-fraud-judgment

Hey, you know what this fraud trial needed? More fraud.

 

[KidTDragon]

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[The Mighty Mollusk]

Can't wait until they start seizing assets. You know that's the only way anyone is gonna get any money from him.

 

[wonko the sane?]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I want to see leticia james and e jean caroll arm wrestle for the deed to 40 wall street. Make it a charity event, have trump pay for it. Hell, throw in a raffle where 5 winners get to take home the giant letters off the side of the building.

 

[Ironbite4]

And there it is folks....

Donald Trump appeals $454 million judgment in New York civil fraud case

Donald Trump has appealed his $454 million New York civil fraud judgment, challenging a judge’s finding that he lied about his wealth as he grew the real estate empire that launched him to stardom and the presidency.

apnews.com

Ironbite-he's filing his notice to appeal.

 

[wonko the sane?]

It's a delaying tactic, he'll lose the appeal.

 

[abates]

He didn't put up the bond, so it doesn't change the fact he has to pay the money within 30 days or they start seizing his assets. The appeals court would have to grant a stay without a bond.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Meanwhile, the interest continues to build.

 

[Pale Rider]

FB friend:

So Trump has informed the courts that he intends to post less than one quarter of the bond that he was ordered to post.

This is a good example of his privilege. All his life, he has viewed the law as something to negotiate with, not something to obey. In his mind, it is perfectly reasonable to respond to a court order by basically saying "OK, here's my much lower counter-offer". That's because this is how he's always acted. He has never taken the law seriously.

 

[Paladin]

And he won't have to because the Supreme Courts' gonna let him off the hook.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762961167167664586

 

[Steevy Maximus]

Even if the Supreme Court decides immunity in Trump's favor...it's not going to really affect his obligations to his civil penalties. Not that he and his cronies aren't going to try any BS they can think of, but immunity from prosecution for Jan 6 won't shield him from the millions in civil penalties he's on the hook for.

 

[Rhinox]

Yeah, that immunity does nothing against this judgement. We'll see if SCOTUS considers presidents as living gods, but he's still gotta pay.

 

[Pocket]

I should probably wait to see if Legal Eagle puts out of a video on this, but what exactly is happening here? Trump hasn't been convicted of any criminal acts yet, right? I didn't sleep through that and miss it? Why is it even possible to ask the Supreme Court for a ruling on this already, let alone for them to say they'll do it?

 

[Autobubbs]

Yeah, that immunity does nothing against this judgement. We'll see if SCOTUS considers presidents as living gods, but he's still gotta pay.

Plus, they'd be collectively shooting themselves in the foot ruling in Trumps favor. If he has immunity, Biden has immunity.

 

[Pocket]

Well that's the great thing about being a Republican. You can abuse your powers all you want and be confident that the opposing party are too nice to abuse theirs back, even if you get the Supreme Court to say it's totally fine.

 

[abates]

I think this is just another delaying tactic. Trump's due to start another criminal trial (the hush money one) in late March, which could end up being delayed pending the result of the Supreme Court's decision.

 

[wonko the sane?]

If they want to give immunity to trump: they literally have to wait until after the election AND a trump victory (which statistically cannot happen, unless democrats get lazy and complacent.) otherwise they give it to biden first.

And then biden can just have the whole lot of them assassinated, supreme court included, and install people who aren't corrupt fuckwits... or no one at all, as a dictator wouldn't need a supreme court OR an election cycle.

The irony being that Biden doing this, wielding unilateral supreme power and assassinating his opponents would only make americas standing on the world stage go up.

 

[Steevy Maximus]

I should probably wait to see if Legal Eagle puts out of a video on this, but what exactly is happening here? Trump hasn't been convicted of any criminal acts yet, right? I didn't sleep through that and miss it? Why is it even possible to ask the Supreme Court for a ruling on this already, let alone for them to say they'll do it?

The Special Counsel petitioned the Supreme Court to take up the issue several weeks ago, before the lower court ruling (because, obviously, this issue would end up before them anyway). The SC passed then, but OBVIOUSLY took it up when Trump threw his hissy fit.
The Constitution, and subsequent legislation, is VERY vague on on many of the liabilities associated with many parts of our government. Because, up until Trump, there was an expectation that most people serving the government weren't crazy, wannabe dictators. Because of that, Trump is claiming he is immune to prosecution for his actions during his presidency.

The Court will now decide if Presidents are immune to anything they do as President.

If they want to give immunity to trump: they literally have to wait until after the election AND a trump victory (which statistically cannot happen, unless democrats get lazy and complacent.) otherwise they give it to biden first.

And then biden can just have the whole lot of them assassinated, supreme court included, and install people who aren't corrupt fuckwits... or no one at all, as a dictator wouldn't need a supreme court OR an election cycle.

The irony being that Biden doing this, wielding unilateral supreme power and assassinating his opponents would only make americas standing on the world stage go up.

Sad part is that Biden COULD fix a LOT of the issues doing so, and without consequence if the court grants full immunity. But he might take that pesky moral "high ground" and we end up with Trump, or some wannabe down the line, doing far worse.

Biden doesn't have the balls to go that extreme. Harris, though....