Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

NovaSaber

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Trump and his think tank loyalists are collecting the ingredients and refining the recipe for an authoritarian regime should he win the 2024 presidential election. According to a page one story in The Washington Post Monday, Trump plans on the first day of his new administration to invoke the Insurrection Act so he can dispatch the military to counter any demonstrations that might resist his policies.

Why might he need the Insurrection Act? Well, the piece also notes Trump intends to turbo-politicize the Department of Justice and order prosecutions of his former aides and officials who have criticized him. Perhaps he thinks the country won’t let him go buck wild on the rule of law without a stink, so he wants to be ready to sic troops on the inevitable protestors. Fingered by Trump for legal beat-downs, the Post reports, are one-time Trump stalwarts and staffers like former chief of staff John F. Kelly, former attorney general William Barr, his ex-attorney Ty Cobb, and former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair Mark A. Milley. Trump has singled out other officials at the FBI and the Department of Justice for prosecution, the piece adds, as well as President Joe Biden and his family.
 

Axaday

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Part of me thinks giving Trump some rope is going to be the only thing to wake up half of the country. The other part is really afraid that they are awake.
 

Axaday

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There's a really strange brew there. Remember when he went in the first time and we were pretty concerned about what he would accomplish? McConnell served him up his first Supreme Court pick, but he got lucky with the other two. And they got a tax cut through. I definitely don't mean to say he didn't do damage, but he was really lazy and really ineffective. The main damage he did on a regular basis was in sowing distrust and showing people it is okay to be rude and ignorant and brash. He has continued that work from Mar-A-Lago. At the end of the day, he is always going to be lazy and he is always going to be mostly satiated by being the President and living in the White House.

In a second term he would not start with Reince and others that the GOP got in there to keep him on the rails, but I would be interesting to see how difficult a time he would have filling out a cabinet. A few of his former cabinet picks went to jail and it looks like Mark Meadows could too. I think a second term cabinet would somewhat check him on the more traditional basis of knowing that they can go to jail for helping him.

Finding an Attorney General that will do the things he wants will be very difficult, because that hypothetical person is sure to go to jail. If he can get that part done and start doing what he says he will do, he'll start facing the deep state in much plainer ways than he did before and the Justice Department will be crippled by resignations.
 

wonko the sane?

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He won't have any more problems filling out a cabinet than the first time, because the 1.) the methods he used (acting heads, primarily.) was done to circumvent oversight, and 2.) project 2025 is scouring all of america's finest sewers for monsters and psychopaths whose sole purpose will be to say yes to trump and do everything stupid that falls out of his ugly, hateful face.
 

Ironbite4

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And also, there won't be a need for a cabinet because he's gonna declare him El Presidente.

Ironbite-4 lyfe.
 

Pocket

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And enact a military coup against anyone who tries to stop him. Which 90% of the jarheads will gladly go along with because they're already brainwashed to respect the biggest bully in the room.
 

wonko the sane?

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No, that's pretty much the plan. Leaks from project 2025 have stated that trump intends to enact the insurrection act on day 1. He's openly talking about weaponizing the DOJ, and has a ******* list of people he's going to imprison for being mean to him.
 

Dekafox

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And enact a military coup against anyone who tries to stop him. Which 90% of the jarheads will gladly go along with because they're already brainwashed to respect the biggest bully in the room.
Depends on how seriously the various armed forces take their oath. Technically the oath is to the Constitution, NOT the President, so if he tries that there's a very good chance you'll end up with at least some of the military opposing him. No doubt there are some who don't give a crap and will back him up, but there are some who take that oath seriously too, particularly Special Forces and the like(otherwise they wouldn't even have been in the selection).

NO ONE wants the Army Rangers after them. It's like the next level beyond CIA "problem solving".
 

Steevy Maximus

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he's gonna get shot by the CIA and they'll make it look like an accident, lol
Give the CIA a bit more credit than that...
They'll add a little something extra to his McDonalds runs and make it look like his lifestyle finally caught up with him.
 

wonko the sane?

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Apparently ABC has leaked testimony from jenna ellis and sydney powell where they state that trump had no intention of leaving the white house...

So that's a thing I'm happy is at least confirmed.
 

Axaday

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If I were advising Trump, it is past time to stop calling his indictments "sad" "corrupt" or "unjust". If he wants to do those things himself and does them, he can actually pull off a master stroke, but he needs to start preparing now. He needs to start solely talking about it being a new political maneuver. If he can sell that, he can make an equivalency that takes the stink off of being indicted.

Some of his base are total morons and will never be bothered by this, but I live in a red state and know a lot of Trump voters. It should bother them if he does these things after railing that it is sad and corrupt and unjust.
 

Pocket

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No, all of his base are total morons and will never be bothered by this. If they weren't morons they wouldn't be supporting him. You just don't know your neighbors as well as you think.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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Most of his base are total morons. The rest are total assholes who jumped on the bandwagon just to watch him piss other people off. Either way, though, it doesn't actually matter what he says or does at this point.
 

wonko the sane?

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Unfortunately: not all of his followers are complete morons, although they are probably irredeemable assholes.

Trumps has stated he intends to invoke the insurrection act on day 1. He wants to arrest and prosecute the people whom were mean to him, rounds up everyone HE THINKS is an immigrant and herd them into concentration camps. Trump also has lackeys and the brainwashed in every level of government ready and willing to lie, cheat and steal to make it happen for him. An entire POLITICAL PARTY exists to try to get trump power by whatever means necessary.

Trump is not a ranting lunatic on the street corner screaming about the ends of days: he's a bonafied fascist, with means and people behind him. Everything he says matters because he's openly telling us what he's going to do, and after he does ALL that, and literally anything else he wants to do because term 2 will never tell him the word "no", do you think he's just going to let terms limits and law oust him from seemingly absolute power?

His old administration has already admitted that they never intended to transition out after they lost. Trump STILL thinks some conspiracy theory will come true and reinstate him as president before the next election.

Trump is a dollar store hitler, and has already almost taken over the country. He will try again, and dismissing his legions (cause they are the source of his competence.) will help him succeed.
 

wonko the sane?

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The way the Republicans are treating the military right now, the moment he tries to invoke the act, they will remove his ass for acts against the Constitution.
Yeah, see, you like to think that, and we all want to believe it... but there was plenty of card carrying, active service members in the crowds on the 6th. There's enough of the military who are card carrying maga cultists, that might well prove problematic should there be a trump coup two: cheap ass bronzer boogaloo. Enough to help pull it off? Naw. Enough to cause some damage, continue to undermine your democratic processes, and further degrade the appearance of stability on the international stage. And that's without even touching brass who might be carrying water for trump, cause they don't feel like they've spilt enough blood for their country or some stupid jive and see him as a chance to go to war again.

And if trump somehow manages to get a second term: more than enough to act as his personal army. Project 2025 is actively seeking psychopaths and monsters for all positions under dollar general fuhrer, and cultists with guns to die for their cult leader will not be refused.

We want to believe that the system will survive trump, and do the right thing the next time (and there WILL BE a next time.) he or someone like him tries again: but the very fact that there are discussions regarding the enactment of the 14th amendment means there's enough doubt to collapse it.

Register to vote, get your friends and family registered to vote. If you've got the means: put an ad in your neighbourhood offering to help get people registered to vote. And Then vote blue. The only way out of this is to get republicans away from power, period.
 


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