Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Explaining doesn't work on Trumpers. Either they're too ignorant (willingly or otherwise) to care, and thus you're just wasting your time; or they only cared about making people mad in the first place, in which case you're giving them what they want. They're either stupid, or they're bullies (often both, but one usually begets the other). If explanations worked, they would've left the cult already, or never fallen for it in the first place.

Or they're in on the grift, in which case they know what you're saying and just don't care, because they're making bank.

 

[wonko the sane?]

They aren't THAT ignorant; they know fraud is a crime. Trump is literally beating the "I let them come after me to stop them coming after you" drum. They have just been convinced that everything the cheeto factory reject says is truth; and the dollar store knock off dictator is telling them he didn't commit any crimes.

While simultaneously screaming that biden has, and is currently committing (shockingly enough!) the exact same crimes trump actually committed. Fraud, and bribery, and retaining top secret documents. Amazing isn't it?

They know law and order are things: they are being told that trump hasn't broken the law, that things democrats are doing IS breaking the law. Projection and admission, every. *******. Time.

 

[Axaday]

A littler potatoin the Georgia case has taken a plea deal in exchange for testimony.

 

[Pale Rider]

The disloyalty!

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

MSN

Only the best people.

 

[Axaday]

His lawyers have been very busy. I'm not sure how a team can be expected to do 4 criminal trials and 2 civil trials for a celebrity all at once without making some screwups.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Most of his lawyers are also demonstrably incompetent. But that just gives him another avenue to appeal any judgements and tie it all up in the court system for the rest of his life, dodging any real consequences.

 

[wonko the sane?]

One could argue that having to run across the country to go to courts and paying millions for incompetent lawyers for the rest of your life is in fact a punishment. Sisyphean level of punishment even.

I wouldn't, because he's not actually paying his lawyers. It's not like it's minor charges he's facing: eventually the courts will proceed with or without his cooperation. If this whole thing lasts the rest of his life, it's because the stress of being guilty catches up with his fat ass and kills him.

 

[Axaday]

It is intriguing how often Trump lawyers get called out for being ridiculous. You would think with the loss of his business and his freedom at stake, he would hire the smartest lawyers in America, but it seems like he instead seeks out the most obedient ones.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

The smart ones won't take his cases.

 

[abates]

At this point, given how much publicity about how Trump doesn't pay anyone, I have to assume his lawyers think they're working for exposure.

 

[Axaday]

But they aren't the sort who get advantage from exposure...

 

[Ungnome]

Not so sure. They can probably get book deals once this is all over.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Trump Ordered To Shut Up Or Face 30 Days Behind Bars

Donald Trump has been told by a judge in his fraud civil trial to watch what he says and posts, or risk ending up behind bars.

deadline.com

I give it two days, absolute tops. And that's assuming someone physically takes his phone away for a while and he has to get his tiny hands on another one first.

 

[Anonymous X]

If he shoots his mouth off, more likely when, there’s little chance he’ll face any actual legal consequences, is there?

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Depends. This judge has been much quicker than most to call him on his antics. I'm not holding my breath, but we'll see.

 

[wonko the sane?]

I don't think engoron will take off the kid gloves: but those gloves seem pretty scuffed from here. The context around trump has changed ALOT in the last few months, and there is a lot less enthusiasm from the cult about him. Not necessarily about his politicking, but none of them are overly enthusiastic about going to jail for trump.

I think that engoron will just keep throwing fines at trump. Which are pointless cause he doesn't actually pay those himself.

 

[Pocket]

Does anyone pay them? Or does he just keep racking up a debt no one has the balls to actually collect on?

 

[wonko the sane?]

They do accrue interest, and non-payment IS a fact that could be used against him in other ongoing litigation (since continued non-payment could be added his to profile to indicate intent). His super pac is paying those fees, but the point is it's not hurting trumps wallet directly or immediately. His pacs are running out of money, and as since trump has already exhausted the cults supply of low dollar donors, and the rich folk aren't currently putting money into trump: it'll him later rather than sooner, but yeah... not him paying for anything.

 

[abates]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709570307667726445

*waits for something to happen*