Superman (Legacy)- Summer 2025

[Steevy Maximus]

I feel a possible issue with some of the scenes Axaday might have issue with is that the film is more….subtle…in terms of letting the actors ACT. In life, sometimes body language and emotion say just as much as words, and I think that’s where some of the emotional moments tend to focus on.
Where as other superhero films (and comics, for that matter), I think, would have been more blatant with the dialog.

 

[The Predaking]

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Wow I got a totally different feel. The feel I got was that Lois is a responsible journalist. When Clark loses it and asks her if she really believes what the Boravian government says about the invasion, she says no she doesn't, but she can't base her perspective as a journalist off of what she suspects, only what she can prove.

Clark is vindicated in that we later find out the Boravians were league with Lex, but Lois shows she's committed to being a responsible journalist. Which plays into how her character unfolds as she investigates Luthor.

So no, I didn't see her as setting up a hit piece. I saw her as being committed to responsible journalism. She even says, just before the interview, that it's wrong for "Clark Kent" to interview "Superman" since he knows the answers ahead of time. This is her showing her best side of her professional life by showing she won't go easy on Clark.

It also sets up that she's maybe so focused on the ethics of her job that she's going to risk her relationship with Clark. As she says- in that scene- she's not good with relationships.

I thought it was an excellent piece of character work.

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While I get that is your interpretation of her actions, you can see that she is deliberately going after Superman, even ignoring what she knows is true to go after him. Lois has no problem making her own assumptions about Superman's actions and motivations while not addressing the active dictator that was trying to invade and murder his neighbors, regardless of his motivations. She was actively punishing Superman by being the worst journalist that she could, not the best. Like I said, I found it intellectually dishonest and made it sound like a hit piece. I mean, there is a reason why Superman gets upset here, and it's because he knows what she is doing and can't believe she is doing it.

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Massive disagree with you there. I thought they- Pa specifically- were the heart of the rising action of the film.
Kevin Coster sure can wear a pair of blue jeans and look long fully into the middle distance of rural America but his Pa Kent was hamstrung by Snyder's dark and edgy storytelling where he suggests Clark should have let his classmates drown.

This version of the Kents feels like the parents that would have raised Clark to be the hero he becomes.

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I don't doubt that they could have raised Clark, but honestly, we got old people talking on the phone wrong joke, followed up an hour later by the dad's generic speech. I can't tell you one part of what he said, but I can still tell you about Costner's speech, or some great dialog from John Schneider's Smallville run, or the fact that TAS Jonathan Kent never told Superman the truth about Santa Claus, or that even Glenn Ford's limited screentime felt more like Pa Kent.

Honestly it wasn't until the end when we got to see the home movies did we get something good out of them. They have limited screen time in this film and they really needed to be able to make the audience love them in that time. Personally, I don't think that they did that.

Also, Costner Kent didn't want the kids to drown, but he didn't know what to do in that situation. He literally would do anything to protect Clark, and showed that by dying in the storm rather than let Clark save him in front of all those people.

 

[Axaday]

I feel a possible issue with some of the scenes Axaday might have issue with is that the film is more….subtle…in terms of letting the actors ACT. In life, sometimes body language and emotion say just as much as words, and I think that’s where some of the emotional moments tend to focus on.
Where as other superhero films (and comics, for that matter), I think, would have been more blatant with the dialog.

I know that is true to an extent. I know the scene of Lois looking around his childhood bedroom with no dialog means she is realizing that she was wrong when she said she had grown up punk rock and he was Superman. He was in a lot of respects a normal Kansas kid. He had superpowers, but he went through all the normal stuff people go through.

I watched the screen at the movie theater, but I don't at home. I do other things and frequently glance, so I do appreciate having more than body language.

But this isn't really what I was talking about. Whenever things got heavy in GotG, Drax the Destroyer said something dumb. Drax wasn't in this movie, but when Pa was nearly sentimental (and I felt like I was possibly going to cry in a moment) out pops Ma to call him an ol' mush. When Clark is telling Lex about how he gets scared and makes mistakes, I felt the scene was a touch maudlin to begin with, but in pops Krypto to do to Lex what Superman never would. Superman has a deep conversation with Lois about what is going on it can't go very deep because there is a giant monster attacking the town in the background and the tacit absurdity that Superman is just letting the Justice Gang handle it because they can and he's not feeling it. It is very clear to me that Gunn does NOT want crying going on at his movie.

 

[LordGigaIce]

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While I get that is your interpretation of her actions, you can see that she is deliberately going after Superman, even ignoring what she knows is true to go after him. Lois has no problem making her own assumptions about Superman's actions and motivations while not addressing the active dictator that was trying to invade and murder his neighbors, regardless of his motivations. She was actively punishing Superman by being the worst journalist that she could, not the best. Like I said, I found it intellectually dishonest and made it sound like a hit piece. I mean, there is a reason why Superman gets upset here, and it's because he knows what she is doing and can't believe she is doing it.

I don't doubt that they could have raised Clark, but honestly, we got old people talking on the phone wrong joke, followed up an hour later by the dad's generic speech. I can't tell you one part of what he said, but I can still tell you about Costner's speech, or some great dialog from John Schneider's Smallville run, or the fact that TAS Jonathan Kent never told Superman the truth about Santa Claus, or that even Glenn Ford's limited screentime felt more like Pa Kent.

Honestly it wasn't until the end when we got to see the home movies did we get something good out of them. They have limited screen time in this film and they really needed to be able to make the audience love them in that time. Personally, I don't think that they did that.

Also, Costner Kent didn't want the kids to drown, but he didn't know what to do in that situation. He literally would do anything to protect Clark, and showed that by dying in the storm rather than let Clark save him in front of all those people.

There's not much I could say other than to say that I just massively disagree with you on both of these takes. I have nothing else to add on Lois that won't be retreading things. As for Ma and Pa Kent, the scene of Clark with his dad, where his dad tells him he's proud of him, nearly had me in tears. Nothing Pa Kent said or did in Smallville or the Snyder films came close to that for me, personally.

 

[The Predaking]

No worries. We can agree to disagree on this.

 

[Agent X]

A few things that bugged me after I left the movie:

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The fight with the hammer: You're telling me Supes didn't notice the things (cameras) flying around, or didn't think they may be helping him.
Where were the Justice Gang when it was attacking? (theory: off doing something else. And/or since they're funded by a corporation, the corporation decided to keep them out of it. Bet Lex Corp wouldn't be the only corporation to benefit from Supes being taken out.)
No one would have traced the Hammer's flight path to just out of Metropolis' city limits? (theory: If Lex 'owns' Metropolis like he does in other cannons, then he couldblackout/erase any traces.

Lois and Mr. Terrific raid the riverside base while it's day, come out of the portal tent at night, and none of the STILL ALIVE staff called the head office to get Ultraman and the Engineer down?

Mr. T didn't hit up Lex's ship to stop the rift while Superman was busy with Ultraman and Engineer? Or at least when Engineer was KOed so one doesn't spilt off to stop T.